Talk:Chris Cuomo

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Article needs "Fredo" section.[edit]

Article needs "Fredo" section. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 06:35, 14 August 2019 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 14 August 2019[edit]

In the "See Also" section, add the following link: Fredo-Gate Duranged (talk) 15:13, 14 August 2019 (UTC)

  • "Fredo-gate" is undue. This is nowhere close to a "-gate". --- Coffeeandcrumbs 23:56, 14 August 2019 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 14 August 2019[edit]

You need to put in Fredo 2601:341:C200:DEB:FC6C:B229:5224:4789 (talk) 23:50, 14 August 2019 (UTC)

Already done. --- Coffeeandcrumbs 23:56, 14 August 2019 (UTC)
It has very widespread coverage. The degree of persistence could be a factor, but as it stands I suspect it will be covered for a while due to politics. I think the size of the inclusion in the article could be reduced (it's more than 5 lines currently) to 2-3 sentences. MartinezMD (talk) 00:30, 15 August 2019 (UTC)
I agree. It wasn't I who added it. Feel free to trim it down. Compared to the size of the whole page, it is overblown and undue. --- Coffeeandcrumbs 01:49, 15 August 2019 (UTC)
I realize you didn't add it but wanted to take the opportunity to address it. I think it's appropriate to have it in the article, but as we've discussed, less length to reduce undue weight. I've made changes. MartinezMD (talk) 02:14, 15 August 2019 (UTC)
The term "Fredo" has not been shown to be linked to ethnicity in past usage, only to a black sheep or outcast weaker member of a family or business - a differentiation that has caused debate, why it has caused this debate is important to mention with sources. Vaselineeeeeeee★★★ 22:06, 15 August 2019 (UTC)
If that has due weight and relevance to this subject, Chris Cuomo, then reliable sources would discuss it when speaking about Cuomo. Otherwise, it is WP:Undue, original analysis, and not notable on Wikipedia article about Cuomo. Feel free to add what you are talking about to the article on Fredo Corleone. --- Coffeeandcrumbs 22:47, 15 August 2019 (UTC)
@Coffeeandcrumbs: I disagree - it has to do precisely with the term Cuomo used, and thereby extension has relevance to the subject as well in how its usage is perceived as it relates to how he used the term, but I'm not going to get into an edit war with you over it. Vaselineeeeeeee★★★ 23:20, 15 August 2019 (UTC)
Feel free to write an article about the name and its uses. Unless you find sources that discuss the meaning of the name in the context of this incident, you are doing original analysis. This Washington Post article says that Edward Falco, the author of 2012 novel The Family Corleone, "said he agreed with Cuomo that “Fredo” was directed as an ethnic slur, not just meaning someone weak and incompetent but a weak and incompetent Italian. It sounds close to “guido,” he said, a more prominent insult toward Italian Americans, though he said Cuomo went “overboard” comparing it to the n-word." Feel free to add that. --- Coffeeandcrumbs 23:52, 15 August 2019 (UTC)
Since the term "Fredo" relates to Fredo Corleone, I have written about it there as I do not think it would make sense at Fredo for this reason. Thanks for that source, I've included it, but it is still the opinion of one man, it is not in books or in dictionaries. Vaselineeeeeeee★★★ 00:23, 16 August 2019 (UTC)

──────────────────────I'm okay with some degree of the addition, but again, to avoid undue weight I'd like to keep the section as short as possible. I made minor edits to that effect. The interested reader can read the source material to get the needed information for more detail. MartinezMD (talk) 00:41, 16 August 2019 (UTC)