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GA Review[edit]

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Reviewer: Kosack (talk · contribs) 19:44, 25 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]


I'll take this one on, will post review in the next day or so. Kosack (talk) 19:44, 25 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Initial review:

Lead[edit]

  • vice captain > vice-captain.
  • The lead stops at 2009 with West Brom for his club career, which is before he really made a name for himself. That needs updating.
  • New Zealand national team is linked twice in the lead.

Early life[edit]

  • attended Royal Oak Primary and Cambridge East primary second primary needs a capital letter.
  • First sentence seems a bit overlong. I would suggest breaking into two sentences, one for his schooling and one for his early youth teams.
  • The two primary schools and Cambridge FC are not supported by any of the three references in the paragraph.
  • ASB Premiership is a redirect so should be piped to New Zealand Football Championship.
  • Consensus at WP:Football is that we don't use sponsored names if alternatives are available so Lotto Sport Italia NRFL Premier should be Northern Region Premier or NRFL Premier.

West Bromwich Albion[edit]

  • Remove club link per WP:OVERLINK, already linked in text above.
  • I would add a mention of who Roger Wilkinson actually is if he doesn't have a link.
  • First sentence could probably do with merging into the paragraph below rather than being on its own.
  • Second paragraph has one ref which doesn't support any of the youth and reserve team goalscoring info or the final sentence about being the fifth New Zealander in the Premier League.
  • "Injuries to West Brom front-liners gave Wood a surprise call up for the trip to Fratton Park" seems somewhat informal to me, how about "Injuries to several West Brom players saw Wood handed a surprise call up to the first-team for a Premier League match against Portsmouth at Fratton Park?"
  • Premiership hasn't been used since 2007, should be Premier League.

Brighton & Hove Albion[edit]

  • Bristol Rovers and Peterborough United links need piping.

Bristol City[edit]

  • Section could do with expanding I think, only a single sentence for a nineteen match loan spell is a bit short.

Millwall[edit]

  • Unlink Millwall, Cardiff City and Brighton & Hove Albion, all linked in previous sections.
  • Leeds and Blackburn links need piping.
  • Last two sentences are unsourced.

Leicester City[edit]

  • In the opening sentence, West Brom are referred to as "it", for consistency with the rest of the article, "they" would be more suitable.
  • His transfer to Leicester in the first paragraph seems a bit out of sync timewise. It mentions he is expected to join the club in the January transfer window and doesn't mention him joining on loan until the end. I think this needs restructuring slightly so that his loan move is mentioned with him agreeing personal terms, as the reference states, and then a mention of the transfer being completed once the window opened after his one loan match.
  • Unlink Bristol City and Leicester City, previously linked in the article.
  • Second paragraph is largely unsourced and is mostly not about Wood. Could perhaps be trimmed.

Ipswich Town loan[edit]

  • Heading needs brackets on loan to maintain consistency with other sections.
  • Second sentence is unsourced.
  • Again, section is a bit short, could mention debut, goals, games played etc.

Leeds United[edit]

2015–16 season[edit]

  • Unlink Leeds United and Doncaster Rovers, linked previously in the article.
  • Are all these goals notable? Second and third paragraphs seem to just list every goal he scored with no obvious explanation to why each one is notable.

2016–17[edit]

  • Perhaps link overhead kick to Bicycle kick.
  • Goal against Burton in the first paragraph has no obvious notability, I'd remove it.
  • Unlink Derby County and Nottingham Forest, previously linked in the article.
  • Wigan Athletic link needs piping.

2017–18[edit]

  • Bolton Wanderers link needs piping.
  • Is Alioski's assist relevant to Wood?
  • Link Sunderland
  • The player > he.
  • Does ref 64 need repeating? If it's referencing the two sentences then using it once at the end of the paragraph would be sufficient.

International career[edit]

  • Under-17 > under-17
  • First paragraph is unsourced.
  • Unlink West Bromwich Albion, linked previously in the article.
  • "named in the All Whites World Cup squad" sentence could be reworded to include a tournament link. Perhaps "named in the All Whites squad for the 2010 FIFA World Cup?"
  • "He came on as a substitute in the first group match in a 1–1 draw against Slovakia and New Zealand's first ever point in a World Cup finals match" Sentence is incomplete, "as New Zealand claimed their first ever" perhaps?
  • The final sentence is a bit muddled and is unsourced.
  • "famous draw" is a bit POV, so needs some strong sourcing if you want to keep it.
  • Group doesn't need the capital letter.
  • "first official international goal", official seems unnecessary, did he score an unofficial goal?
  • Fourth paragraph is unsourced.
  • Squad doesn't need a capital letter after New Zealand Under 23s
  • I don't believe the under in under 23s need a capital letter either.
  • New Zealand under 23s is linked twice.
  • Second sentence needs breaking up into more than one big long one.
  • No need to use his surname every time he's mentioned, he will suffice after the first use.
  • Four sentences separated into individual paragraphs is a bit messy, I would suggest they need merging a bit more.
  • vice captain > vice-captain
  • Unlink captain in last sentence, linked in previous sentence.

Career statistics[edit]

  • Is there a page relevant to franchise team that the phrase can be linked to? I can't find any obvious page so it's not a major issue if there's not.
  • Link Chatham Cup.

References[edit]

  • Ref 32 is a dead link
  • Ref 43 has a typo, should be 2015–16.
  • Ref 69 is a dead link.
  • Ref 72 is a dead link.

The article scored very high on a possible copyvio check but I'm confident that the site is using the Wiki article for information rather than vice versa. There's a decent amount of work to do in order to bring this up to GA standard, placed on hold for seven days. Kosack (talk) 10:15, 26 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! I went ahead and addressed some of the minor issues like piping and overlinking. Robby.is.on (talk) 11:06, 26 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@Iggy the Swan:@Robby.is.on: Pinging nominator and involved editor. This review has been on hold for two weeks now and, although improvements have been made, there are still issues that have not been addressed and activity seems to have stalled. Are there any plans to continue with this? Kosack (talk) 10:17, 10 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the update, @Kosack:. I've addressed some more of the issues you brought up. There's still a missing citation. Is there anything else left? Robby.is.on (talk) 16:13, 10 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Follow up[edit]

Lead[edit]

  • Premier League is linked twice.  Done

Early life[edit]

  • The source added for his early schooling is questionable and scores highly on a possible copyvio, I would wager it's taken the information from here. I would suggest a better source needs to found.  Done

West Bromwich Albion[edit]

  • That citation tag needs taking care of, either by finding a suitable source or removing anything unsourced.  Done - thanks for that.

Bristol City (loan)[edit]

  • The second use of Bristol City can be changed to avoid repetition, the club, side or team would all be sufficient.  Done
  • Unlink Doncaster and Nottingham Forest, previously linked.  Done - I (Iggy the Swan) inserted the links yesterday.
  • Doncaster > Doncaster Rovers.  Done - yes not to be confused with the city.
  • Coventry > Coventry City with link, only time they're mentioned.  Done

Leicester City[edit]

  • "finished the regular season with 11 in 24", probably change to 11 goals in 24 appearances to look a bit neater.  Done - made it neater
  • "In a dramatic finale, after Watford goalkeeper Manuel Almunia saved both a penalty taken by Anthony Knockaert and a rebound which would have sent Leicester through to the final, Troy Deeney scored in the seventh minute of added time to take Watford through on aggregate", I still believe this paragraph is far too focused on events other than Wood.  Done - agreed it is not focusing on Wood here.
  • "scored a stunning long-range volley", I would put stunning in quotation marks to show it's taken from a source to avoid being a WP:PEACOCK word.  Done - taken from the source

Ipswich Town (loan)[edit]

  • Norwich are now mentioned here, above a link further down. Link their name here and drop the link in the Leeds section.  Done

Leeds United[edit]

2015-16
  • Last three sentences of the first paragraph all use Wood, try to avoid repetition like this.  Done
  • Again, the second and third paragraphs are just an indiscriminate list of goals with no obvious reason as to why they are notable.  Done
  • "to finish Leeds United's top goal" > to finish as...

References[edit]

  • Ref 30 needs a date and a publisher.  Done - fixed
  • Ref 32 is still a dead link.  Done - not dead now
  • Ref 46 needs changing to lower case, per WP:ALLCAPS.  Done
  • Ref 49, author Len > Leon. Done
  • Ref 78 (formerly 69) is still a dead link.  Done - archive URL added
  • Ref 51 still has a typo in the title.  Done
  • Ref 81 needs an author.  Done
  • Ref 86 needs publisher, author and date. Done
I've done another quick run through and picked up a few extra things, a few that have been added after the first review and a few still outstanding. Placed on hold for a further seven days. Kosack (talk) 20:08, 10 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Marked things as  Done by Iggy (Swan) 11:40, 11 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Most things seem to have been taken care of, I've tidied some minor issues. I still have concerns about ref 2 though. It's scoring 60% on the copyvio tool and some of the text is the exact same word for word as this page, such as his sister being mentioned. Either the source is using his Wikipedia page for information, which makes it unlikely that it's a reliable source, or some of the text has been copy and pasted over from the website and is a copyvio infringement. This needs sorting before I'm willing to promote. Kosack (talk) 14:49, 11 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Yes that has been addressed - I am not certain whether the list of schools attended would be relevant in a football article. We have spotted that in exactly the same way as the source when viewing it. Iggy (Swan) 15:26, 11 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
No further concerns over potential copyvios, I've tidied some minor things that I originally missed. I believe the article meets the GA criteria with the improvements made during this review. Promoting. Kosack (talk) 20:11, 11 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Well done and thanks to everyone! :-) Robby.is.on (talk) 20:28, 11 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Sources for under-age international infobox stats[edit]

See discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football#Chris Wood, permalink HERE.

To summarise: Wood's New Zealand Football profile as of 15 August 2012 (after the Olympics) gave him 3 U17 appearances without scoring and 5 U23 appearances with 1 goal,[1] made up of two warm-up friendlies,[2][3] and three 2012 Olympics group matches.[4]

Of the up-to-date list of NZ U23 matches at UltimateNZSoccer,[5] he was not in the squads for the 2015 Pacific Games,[6], 2019 Pacific Games,[7] or the 2019 friendlies against Australia and Olympic qualifiers.[8]

In 2021, he played in 2 friendlies against Australia, scoring in the first.[9][10] At the Olympics, he played in all 3 group matches, scoring twice.[11] Making played 5 scored 3 in 2021, taking his totals to played 10 scored 4 as of match played 28 July 2021.

Thanks to SuperJew and Iggy the Swan for finding sources. Struway2 (talk) 11:10, 28 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ Chris Wood. New Zealand Football. 15 August 2012
  2. ^ Oly Whites downed by Korea in friendly. Oceania Football Confederation. 15 July 2012
  3. ^ Oly Whites defeated by UAE in Austria. Oceania Football Confederation. 20 July 2012
  4. ^ New Zealand - U-23 International Matches. RSSSF. 1 October 2015
  5. ^ UltimateNZSoccer. UltimateNZSoccer. 28 July 2021
  6. ^ Road to Tokyo Olympics begins for New Zealand under-23 men's football team. Stuff.co.nz. 7 July 2019
  7. ^ Promising U-23 group heading to Samoa. New Zealand Football. 1 July 2019
  8. ^ Buckingham names strong squad for Olympic qualifiers. New Zealand Football. 1 July 2019
  9. ^ Men’s Olympic Team beat Australia 2-0 in Ichihara. New Zealand Football. 12 July 2019
  10. ^ Men’s Olympic Team take positives from 1-0 defeat. New Zealand Football. 15 July 2019
  11. ^ Chris Wood: Olympic Games 2021 Tokyo. worldfootball.net. 28 July 2021
@Struway2: Shouldn't the sourcing be on the article page itself? --SuperJew (talk) 15:15, 28 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@SuperJew: It should, really. Initially I'd thought that it'd be excessively lengthy to explain as a footnote in the article, and we need the explanation, with sources for what he could have played in but didn't, as well as what he did play in, to get over the suggestions of OR. I swear I read somewhere that doing it this way was acceptable in such circumstances, but can't find it now, so either I imagined it or it's no longer OK. Anyway... it turned out surprisingly brief and tidy, so there's no argument against putting it in the article in the normal way. Will do so later today. thanks, Struway2 (talk) 15:40, 28 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Struway2: Cheers mate! Really well done. We should have more proper research and sourcing for most players. --SuperJew (talk) 16:19, 28 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 13 January 2022[edit]

Please can someone add "Premier League" before "club" as Newcastle is one of those. Ta, 46.149.249.106 (talk) 10:35, 13 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

 Done. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (talk) 10:59, 13 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 27 October 2023[edit]

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The result of the move request was: not moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) – robertsky (talk) 05:40, 4 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

– A couple questions here. Are years of birth actually desirable disambiguators when alternatives are available? The latter two proposed titles seem more concise and equally precise; Chris Wood (forward) is unfortunately ambiguous with Christian Wood of the NBA. But is the New Zealand footballer the partially disambiguated primary topic for Chris Wood (footballer)? Pageviews say yes by a huge factor; this one averages 900 views/day, the others 2 each. Hameltion (talk | contribs) 20:50, 27 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • Move Chris Wood (footballer, born 1991) to Chris Wood (New Zealand footballer). Oppose 2 and 3. See WP:NCSP#Association football (soccer). 162 etc. (talk) 21:39, 27 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    @162 etc.: Thanks for linking this naming convention page; I missed it somehow. Are 2a/b/c listed in order of precedence, or does "most conclusive" mean position is OK if they clearly play separate positions (i.e., defensive midfielder vs. defender maybe not separate enough?). Hameltion (talk | contribs) 21:45, 27 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    I'm sure some users from WP:FOOTY will be here shortly to chime in, but it's my understanding that disambiguation is done by nationality, birth year, or position, in that order. 162 etc. (talk) 21:49, 27 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Interesting. WP:NCBASE and WP:NCGRIDIRON suggest disambiguating by position before going to year. Perhaps positions are less clearly delineated in soccer? But anyway, in this case there isn't really a risk of overlap/ambiguity with positions. Hameltion (talk | contribs) 21:54, 27 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose all per WP:NCSP, the pages are already disambiguated fine enough at DAB page.--Ortizesp (talk) 05:34, 28 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page discussions. GiantSnowman 15:11, 28 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - no PRIMARYTOPIC, and anyway the proposed alternative moves show deep ignorance, positions and nationalities are fluid, YOBs are not and that is why they are always preferred. GiantSnowman 15:17, 28 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose each of those three moves, even though the Premier League one is more recognised than the other two, disambiguating to positions on the field won't be useful, and also, other footballing Chris Woods may opt to play for any of these three positions in their footballing careers so these current page names are already future-proofed. Iggy (Swan) (Contribs) 16:25, 28 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. No primary topic and YOB is standard disambiguation for footballers. -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:28, 31 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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