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Regarding NPOV[edit]

Much of this article seems to be written from a POV that argues for Christian Egalitarianism, rather than simply explaining what it is. The NPOV policy states that we should describe disputes, not engage in them.

Many unsubstantiated statements are also made, such as "Some of the same logic that was used by the church to justify slavery and segregation on the basis of scripture is still being used today to justify discrimination against women, particularly in marriage and in the church" in the History section. 203.129.47.66 07:27, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

I agree with this it sounds like an argument for Christian egalitarianism and for the support of the fact that the bible teaches this view. There are countless other ways in which the bible teaches the exact opposite of this. The argument should either tell both sides or refrain from supporting this POV. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.244.23.239 (talk) 18:09, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

Gender equality in Christian church leadership[edit]

The statement "Gender equality in Christian church leadership (including pastors) and in Christian marriage is biblically sound" should be removed or altered. The biblical soundness of any given doctrine is dependant on interpretation. The sentence as written endorses one mutually-exclusive interpretation and as such must be regarded as badly POV. I do not wish to execute this decision without the discussion of the group. What say you all? Tallil2long@Yahoo.com

The statement to which you referred is a statement of the beliefs of this view. Since it was unclear to you, I have added "According to Christian Egalitarianism...." Thanks for being observant. Afaprof01 (talk) 21:08, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

History Section has POV Issues and Lacks Citations[edit]

The History section reads more like an argument than like an encyclopedia entry. The paragraph on slavery is of questionable relevance. The paragraph after that offers no citations at all, but only opinions about the treatment of women in Christianity. The language regarding "unequal treatment of humans" at the top of the section is also POV, as it strongly implies that a complementarian view involves such treatment. I think a History section in this article is appropriate, but I don't think this section really covers that history. I'm not sure how or if it should be cleaned up, so I propose to delete it.

SCBC (talk) 04:31, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

Scope melding[edit]

Christian Egalitarianism is rightly defined in the opening section of this page as the idea that everyone is created equal in the sight of God. The rest of this article co-ops this idea and melds it into an intramural gender role dispute. It takes a larger concept, applies it in the scope of a smaller concept, and then redefines the larger concept as the smaller concept. The issue of gender disputes, and the contrasting "complimentarianism", should be properly scoped as a subsection in this article.

-- 151.191.175.233 (talk) 18:11, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

Yes, I agree, as I am of the view that egalitarianism is not the contrary of complementarianism, and that sola scriptura can be inappropriate when discussing Church-related anthropology. ADM (talk) 16:55, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

Complementarianism[edit]

The complementarianism is not necessarily an opposing view against Christian egalitarianism. I don't know how often it is used as such, but in my church context the priests are using egalitarianism alongside complementarianism with no conflict. Rursus dixit. (mbork3!) 11:50, 8 May 2010 (UTC)

Or maybe I'm confusing Complementarianism with the complementariness message of 1Cor12. (My priests are 50% women). Rursus dixit. (mbork3!) 11:55, 8 May 2010 (UTC)
Pardon stupid me! Now I read: "An alternative view...". Nice article, guys! Rursus dixit. (mbork3!) 11:57, 8 May 2010 (UTC)

Requested move[edit]

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: moved. Jenks24 (talk) 10:45, 14 July 2012 (UTC)



Christian EgalitarianismChristian egalitarianism

Seems just like Christian charity to me. Per WP:MOSCAPS ("Wikipedia avoids unnecessary capitalization") and WP:TITLE, this is a generic, common term, not a propriety or commercial term, so the article title should be downcased. Lowercase will match the formatting of related article titles. Tony (talk) 02:40, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

Christian egalitarianism and politics[edit]

I made some changes with sources that where reverted. Egalitarianism is not a moral doctrine, where are the sources for such statement? Also it should be added in the article about the Christian egalitarian activism. [1][2] Rupert Loup (talk) 20:31, 25 September 2015 (UTC)

I don't understand the links to refer to. The first doesn't mention egalitarianism; the second doesn't seem to be talking about this topic at all. StAnselm (talk) 20:38, 25 September 2015 (UTC)
First link: "But when we use the phrases 'Social Justice', 'Economic justice or Liberation Theology' in certain Christian activist circles, we mean political or economic egalitarianism or even revolutionary activities calculated to oust the established government in order to put such egalitarianism into place.". And the statement that egalitarianism is a moral doctrine is still unsourced and is contrary to the sources that I added, wich are the same sources used here. Rupert Loup (talk) 21:07, 25 September 2015 (UTC)
OK, thanks. For some reason, it didn't come up in my search. The point is, this article is not about economic justice or liberation theology (though there are certainly some connections with social justice) - rather, it is about a particular form of egalitarianism, that is essentially apolitical. StAnselm (talk) 21:42, 25 September 2015 (UTC)
From this very article:
"They believe that the Bible teaches the fundamental equality of believers of all racial and ethnic groups and all economic classes."
"The term 'Christian egalitarianism' was in 1979 in an article in the journal 'Theology Today.'[13] The first organization whose purpose was advocating Christian egalitarianism"
"We believe in the equality and essential dignity of men and women of all ethnicities, ages, and classes. We recognize that all persons are made in the image of God and are to reflect that image in the community of believers, in the home, and in society."
"We believe that men and women are to diligently develop and use their God-given gifts for the good of the home, church and society". Rupert Loup (talk) 21:54, 25 September 2015 (UTC)
I'd be happy, though, if we dropped the word "moral": a Christian form of egalitarianism. The scope of the article might need to be reviewed, though. The lead refers to all sorts of equality, but really the article is about gender equality, and indeed the specific movement that is opposed to complementarianism. StAnselm (talk) 21:59, 25 September 2015 (UTC)

This isn't a very well structured RFC. There's a question of if this is a moral doctrine. It is unsourced. It should then be sourced or changed accordingly. There seems to be some question whether it's political or apolitical. What do the sources say?-Serialjoepsycho- (talk) 02:22, 1 October 2015 (UTC)

@Serialjoepsycho: The sources of my edits say that egalitarianism is political doctrine or social philosophy. There are not sources here that says that is a moral doctrine. The article talks about both the political and apolitical aspects. The religious aspect relies too much in the Bible as a source, which is primary. And the article talks about the Christians for Biblical Equality, which is an advocacy organization, and its interpretation. Rupert Loup (talk) 17:31, 1 October 2015 (UTC)
As it is also talks about the political aspect I think that it shoud have the "Religion and Politics" navbox. Rupert Loup (talk) 17:35, 1 October 2015 (UTC)
Yes the two sources you provide above do seem to suggest it's a political doctrine. The bible wouldn't be a primary source for Christian Egalitarianism. It may be a source from which they derive their views but it wouldn't be a source for Wikipedia purposes. There should be a source where that explains how the bible is connected to Christian egalitarianism. But anyway, I digress. You can be both political and apolitical. Some points of politics may be necessary in Christian egalitarianism. Pretty much if they are political and you have a source your change is justifiable. Anyway if it's political you should probably have it discussed in the article before there's navbox. -Serialjoepsycho- (talk) 18:41, 1 October 2015 (UTC)
Rupert Loup Can you please re-state the request you are making in this RFC and add links? It will make it easier for other editors to provide input. Elmmapleoakpine (talk) 19:22, 9 October 2015 (UTC)
I don't think that the rfc is needed right now. Rupert Loup (talk) 21:25, 12 October 2015 (UTC)

Religion and politics template[edit]

I have reverted the addition of Template:Religion and politics. As the lead says, this article is about the Christian form of the moral doctrine, not the political one. StAnselm (talk) 20:33, 25 September 2015 (UTC)