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Occult sects[edit]

Isn't the notion of invisible church prominent among occult sects ? It would seem that they would disregard and condemn any non-members as being part of the visible world, and not part of the invisible occult world. ADM (talk) 22:41, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

Merger proposal[edit]

I propose to merge Believers' Church into Church invisible. I believe the Believers' Church article discusses a theological concept akin to what is discussed at the Church invisible article, here. The former term also seems to not have many references to warrant its existence. What are your thoughts? AnupamTalk 21:33, 16 June 2019 (UTC)

I note that the Schleitheim Confession, 1644 Baptist Confession of Faith, and Assemblies of God Statement of Fundamental Truths (which are cited in the Believers' Church article) make no explicit reference to the Believers' Church doctrine. What are your thoughts User:PPEMES, User:Hazhk, and others? With regards, AnupamTalk 21:46, 16 June 2019 (UTC)
  • Support: The Confessions of Faith cited in the Believers' Church article make no reference to a concept of "Believers' Church"; the content therein is describing the doctrine of the Church Invisible. It should thus be merged into this article. AnupamTalk 21:48, 16 June 2019 (UTC)
  • Support. PPEMES (talk) 04:54, 17 June 2019 (UTC)
  • Against. Two different topics, as the 25 references show in Believers' Church article. 3 books have the mention "Believers Church" in their title. Philip LeMasters, Discipleship Between Creation and Redemption: Toward a Believers' Church Social Ethic, University Press of America, USA, 1997. Donald F. Durnbaugh, The Believers' Church: The History and Character of Radical Protestantism, Wipf and Stock Publishers, USA, 2003. John Howard Yoder, Theology of Mission: A Believers Church Perspective, InterVarsity Press, USA, 2014. An article centered on the subject in George Thomas Kurian, Mark A. Lamport, Encyclopedia of Christianity in the United States, Volume 5, Rowman & Littlefield, USA, 2016, p. 222-223. --ServB1 (talk) 21:43, 22 June 2019 (UTC)
  • Against: Not the same thing. Protestant churches that baptize infants (such as Presbyterians, evangelical Anglicans, etc.) also distinguish between the visible and invisible church. Ltwin (talk) 22:01, 20 July 2019 (UTC)