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Word missing[edit]

There is a word missing from this sentence under Internal Structure: In cities such as and also Moscow, this pattern is still clearly visible. KannD86 (talk) 15:36, 25 November 2017 (UTC)

Distinction between cities and towns - split?[edit]

A tag was placed into this section, suggesting that a new article be carved out from it. Is there enough material to do so? What's currently here suggests that there's not. Stevie is the man! TalkWork 11:27, 14 October 2016 (UTC)

Sorry if I worded it wrong. What I was looking to do is a series of tables and information on the differing legal definitions of what constitutes a city. For example, in New Hampshire, a city is a municipal body that has a mayor (towns and unincorporated places do not.) But in other states such as Alabama, to my understanding, the legal definition is based entirely on population. And in other parts of the world, there are other methods in determining what exactly is a city. So far, I can't find anyplace on Wikipedia that has this information.
I think something outlining all of those specific legal definitions would be useful, but probably too much for the main article. However, I was not sure if the community thought a separate article as a resource would be warranted. South Nashua (talk) 15:36, 14 October 2016 (UTC)
Oh I see. I can see the value of a resource like that, although the optimal approach (to me) would be to find that on external sites (if they exist) and link to them for the reader's further research. Building such a resource here would be quite an endeavor, although with good sourcing, it would be of encyclopedic value, as far as I can see. Stevie is the man! TalkWork 18:27, 14 October 2016 (UTC)
Cool, I'll get going on it. Ultimately what you're talking about was the main part of what I was thinking of, specifically, providing external links to pages with the laws specifying the jurisdictional legal definitions. I think it would be really useful once it's done and I know where to find at least a few of them to begin. Thanks for your input here. South Nashua (talk) 21:05, 14 October 2016 (UTC)
North of the border we have List of cities in Canada that does (or should) distinguish between city status by province and territory while also listing all cities within each. List of cities in the United States is a dab and emulating the Canadian list would be tough since there are thousands of cities in the US. The article would be huge. Without looking at what you've started working on yet, how about an article along the lines of City status in the United States that explains what city status is in all fifty states with main article links to city lists by state? Hwy43 (talk) 22:53, 14 October 2016 (UTC)
That might be a good idea. Once I'm done there, I could add a hub article or as you said, just add this onto the existing lists of cities. South Nashua (talk) 14:29, 15 October 2016 (UTC)
Ultimately, what I want to do has come from the fact that I grew up in a New Hampshire town that is larger in population than most of its cities. Yet there were some people that called it a city and some people that called it a town. I think it would be a good idea to differentiate and explain the differences. Both in New Hampshire and ultimately, everywhere. South Nashua (talk) 14:30, 15 October 2016 (UTC)
Such a distinction literally does not exist where I live (North Carolina). From the NC League of Municipalities website: "In North Carolina, cities, towns and villages are incorporated municipalities. An incorporated municipality means the North Carolina General Assembly (or, in a few cases, a former state agency known as the Municipal Board of Control) has granted a charter authorizing the establishment of a municipal corporation (government) and outlining the powers, authority and responsibilities of the municipal government. Some of these are specified in the charter and some are authorized by state statutes.
The charter designates whether a municipality will be known as a city, a town or a village. There is no legal difference in the designations. It is a matter of the preferences of the residents. There are cities of 1,000 residents, and towns with populations greater than 100,000." (www.nclm.org/resource-center/Pages/How-Municipalities-Work.aspx) --Khajidha (talk) 12:40, 7 June 2017 (UTC)

City population[edit]

I wonder why some cities have less than 100,000 inhabitants... 83.31.59.25 (talk) 17:11, 11 March 2017 (UTC)

Because there is no international definition of a city. It is purely local custom and practice - and sometimes just bad translation - for example, neither the Italian città nor the French cité mean "an urban area of more than 100,000 population". For that matter, neither is it required for a UK city. --John Maynard Friedman (talk) 18:32, 11 March 2017 (UTC)

Hoping to improve this article[edit]

Hi all, I plan to make big changes—improvements, I hope!—to this article over the next few weeks. These will be my entry into the Core Contest, which is a drive to improve Wikipedia's most vital articles. Anyone reading this should consider entering! It's worthwhile and fun and you might get a prize. And if you don't already know there is a lot of room for improvement in the vital article rolls.

Books I am consulting to get a general idea of what belongs in the article:

Changes which suggest themselves after perusing the existing article:

  1. Introduce a section on definition, characteristics, and etymology (ideally touching on etymologies in different languages, e.g. πόλις, insofar as they are keys to understanding the concept itself); fold in section about distinction from towns
  2. Diversify the "Origins" section and move most of the extended economic theory from O'Flaherty 2005 to a fork
  3. Renegotiate (or maybe merge) the transition from "Origins" to "History"
  4. Trim material on "Global City" and "Inner City" as these are specialized terms (dare I say, buzzwords) which can be fully covered in their own articles
  5. Reconsider the "21st century" section—is the periodization appropriate? is this topic covered well? and what exactly is the list of cities supposed to be? (are these the smart ones?)
  6. Expand "Networks of cities" into a prose section or subsection with appropriate explanation

Reading some books on the topic will guide further changes. I expect that sections or subsections could be introduced on infrastructure, social structure, and cultural representations of cities. Of course it is quite a challenge to make general statements about something which has manifested in different ways all across the earth. I am hoping to find good sources that will deal with the topic at an appropriate level.

I hope people will let me know if these changes sound good or bad, if they have ideas of books and articles for me to read, or if there are particular areas they think I should look into. Also I hope people will not be discouraged from editing just because I am in a sense 'claiming' this project. I love collaboration and consider it to be a fundamental part of the purpose of this website.

Cheers, groupuscule (talk) 05:46, 12 May 2017 (UTC)

The History section is simultaneously too long to fit comfortably in the general article and and too short to adequately deal with the topics it proposes to cover. Should it fork out somewhere else? Is there an appropriate existing article (Urban history?) or should it go to History of the city or History of cities (currently both redirect to "Urban history") or somewhere else? The problem with "Urban history" right now is that its entire focus is the academic realms dealing with the city of histories. And it's already long. Spanish Wikipedia has es:Historia de las ciudades which I think falls more upon the lines we need. groupuscule (talk) 21:48, 18 May 2017 (UTC)
@Groupuscule: History of cities redirects to Urban history, so I made that the "main article" for the History section. The general goal here is for the History section here to summarize what is in that article, as it is done in similar situations. See Template:Summarize. (It may be useful to place this tag too.) Stevie is the man! TalkWork 10:48, 19 May 2017 (UTC)
Hi the User:Stevietheman thanks for the reply and the edit. The problem is that the Urban history article does not at present remotely cover the material we have in our history section; it covers the academic field—at great length. (And therefore the History section here does not summarize that page, nor should it.) So either Urban history must be transformed completely, or another article must be created to present the actual history information (or the academics information could be moved somewhere else and "Urban history" could become the repository for actual history.) I'm open to any option but I'm leaning toward repurposing "History of the city" for the actual history information, since it is more to the point than "Urban history" as a title. groupuscule (talk) 11:40, 19 May 2017 (UTC)
I don't see a problem with a useful reorganization, although it's always good to start discussions about it on the talk pages of affected articles. For now, I have moved Urban history to "Further information", as per your response, it's not a proper "main article" at this time. Stevie is the man! TalkWork 14:08, 19 May 2017 (UTC)

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List[edit]

Is there a list of all cities of all countries, with a unique code per city (with a population greater than 2,000 or it has an airport with an IATA code)? So we can easily populate lists and that if a city changes its name then we can still keep referencial integrity to it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 106.201.33.24 (talk) 18:39, 24 July 2019 (UTC)

Palitana Image[edit]

Why are we using a picture of Palitana to demonstrate what a city is? Because Palitana is so pilgrimage-dependent, it seems like a strange choice to model the typical city. Mcavoybickford (talk) 21:44, 26 March 2020 (UTC)

Sentence makes no sense[edit]

The last sentence of the intro (the last sentence of the 3rd paragraph of the article) makes no sense, unless I am overlooking something. Here is what it says: "Another example of relative age, is in the age of the oldest capital cities of the superpower and emerging superpower, they are the U.S. state capital of Santa Fe, New Mexico, and the Chinese prefecture capital of Xi'an, Shaanxi." Josh Theta (talk) 02:06, 15 July 2020 (UTC)

I agree. It needs either further explanation, or deletion. Even the previous sentence doesn't seem to offer much. Those two sentences are the only place in the article where the term "relative age" is used. It isn't defined, and the examples given don't help me to understand what the writer meant by it. I'd be happy to see both sentences disappear. HiLo48 (talk) 02:14, 15 July 2020 (UTC)
Done. --Khajidha (talk) 15:44, 13 August 2020 (UTC)

Urban ecology section needs balance[edit]

The section on urban ecology includes extensive discussion of the ecological and health detriments of cities without commensurate discussion of the benefits. In particular, the sentence "From one perspective, cities are not ecologically sustainable due to their resource needs" needs contextualization: is this comparing cities to rural areas or central cities to suburbs? What is assumed about global population and consumption in the absence of cities?

The section should mention the large and growing literature showing that compact development in central cities has lower environmental impact than sprawling development, and in particular, has lower carbon footprints in Western cities. [1] [2]

In addition, the discussion of health might mention that in Western countries, health and life expectancy is now higher in central cities than in suburbs and rural areas. [3]

Zsubin (talk) 20:47, 18 January 2021 (UTC)

  1. ^ Jones (2018). "Carbon Footprint Planning: Quantifying Local and State Mitigation Opportunities for 700 California Cities". Urban Planning.
  2. ^ "Emissions Gap Report 2019". United Nations Environment Program. 2019.
  3. ^ Glaeser, Edward (2012). Triumph of the City. Penguin Books.