Talk:Sectarian violence in Iraq (2006–08)
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What "civil war"?
Who declared it? What were the main battles of this war? Where were the frontlines exactly? When was it concluded by an official ceasefire or peace treaty between the warring sides?
Or was it not a "civil war", after all?
- Can you say where were frontlines during Lebanese civil war? Or maybe who declared that civil war? Or dozens of other civil wars? You have listed battles right under infobox. Please, sort out your ignorancy elsewhere, we are using WP:RS and those called that phase of conflict as civil war. EllsworthSK (talk) 17:19, 8 April 2012 (UTC)
- Sure. One of the frontlines was the famous Green Line between East and West Beirut, where they stood for 15 years firing at each other in a very positional warfare, separated by no-man's land (green, because reclaimed by nature). You had frontlines, battles, sieges, wholesale massacres after this or that settlement was overrun by enemy forces. What a stupid question. --Niemti (talk) 07:18, 12 July 2013 (UTC)
Concur. This was no "Civil War," at least not by the definitions accepted by mainstream historians. If one wanted to classify this as a Civil War, then that individual should be able to answer the following questions, in unequivocable detail:
- Who were the leaders of the warring factions, particularly the insurgents?
- What where the territories they controlled?
- What were the stated political, social or economic goals of the warring factions?
- Could both sides field organized combatants on the field of battle?
- Could both sides sustain a protracted armed conflict?
- Did both sides have the support of populations within their territories?
The conflict from 2003 through 2008 is best described as an insurgency, and the coalition's attempt to restore order was a counterinsurgency. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.8.131.52 (talk) 20:14, 7 June 2013 (UTC)
It's hysterical how little is written on the Ba'ath Party insurgency... They are barely mentioned, they are one of the best organized forces in Iraq, and this article barely mentions them.... I just think that's strange, those crazy maniacs deserve a bigger emphasize in this article . --TIAYN (talk) 17:06, 27 August 2013 (UTC)
There is no mention of the historical context, particularly the US decreed De-Ba'athification program: "(Sunnis were) Almost completely excluded from the initial state building process as a result of de-Ba'athification. Additionally, because this segment of society suffered the most from de-Ba'athification, they subsequently comprised some of the most committed and deadly insurgent groups. The Sunnis did not participate in the elections both due to a boycott and their general exclusion from the process of state-building.". The article gives the impression that the conflict was all about Al-Qaeda. Of course, that is the official US line, as echoed in "reliable sources" (US corporate media), so it becomes "neutral and unbiased" Wikipedia content. Fourtildas (talk) 17:04, 10 November 2013 (UTC)
Definitions and update
Unbelievably, because of domestic American political implications, "Civil War" is still debated. I encourage anyone here to read the Wikipedia article on Civil War. Iraq has met all common definitions (1000 killed, 100 from each side, during a year), and beyond by orders of magnitude. Unfortunately, Iraq has met those definitions entirely during July, and again in September. This article implies violence ended in 2008; I suggest renaming this article Iraqi Civil War (2006-2008) and creating a new article for post-occupation, or extending this one to today as violence has been continuous.184.108.40.206 (talk) 20:21, 1 October 2013 (UTC)
As the REAL civil war in Iraq is raging now, can we people can FINALLY change the stupid name of this article?
The article that was about merely the sectarian strife. And you can see a difference between merely terrorism and a civil war, where there are frontlines and sides capture and hold territories and bases. --TRIGGERWARNING (talk) 10:54, 13 June 2014 (UTC)
- Agreed. — Rickyrab. Yada yada yada 20:30, 13 June 2014 (UTC)
- Agree, this was not a civil war. It was a series of armed clashes between rival Sunni and Shia insurgents that occured within the backdrop of the Iraq War. Maybe a better name for this article might be Iraqi factional conflict (2006–07), or Iraqi sectarian conflict (2006–07). Charles Essie (talk) 21:11, 19 March 2015 (UTC)