Talk:Claiborne Fox Jackson

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I'm adding information I obtained from http://www.nps.gov/peri/jackson.htm. The content there was created by US Government employees as part of their official duties, so is Public domain. Kenj0418 08:15, Feb 20, 2005 (UTC)

I'm doing a major revision using Thomas Snead's The Fight for Missouri as a primary source for correcting some massive errors about the governor's statements and positions as well as events. Unfortunatley, I lost two massive edits and will have to start again.

There is some heavily Southern perspective (well beyond that of Snead who was a period secessionist and worked for Jackson) of events in the previous draft that I will be addressing to neutralize the article, and correct a mangled timeline, for instance:

1. Contrary to the original wording the St. Louis Arsenal was a United States Arsenal. There was therefore no need for U.S. officers to "seize" their own arsenal as it was already in their hands. Lyon did make it more secure, despite the objections of his superiors in St. Louis.

2. Analysis by Dr. Randy R. McGuire indicates that the number of weapons is overstated by many contemporaries and as stated here. See http://www.civilwarstlouis.com/arsenal/index.htm

3. The arms shipment by the CSA to the militia at Camp Jackson was not "alleged." There is correspondence from both sides confirming this, and the arms were actually seized by Lyon's men. (April 17th Jackson's request, April 23rd Davis' response.)

4. The MSG was still referred to as "militia" until Jackson's new Military Bill was passed after the St. Louis Riot/Massacre/Camp Jackson Affair. The organization was renamed by the legislation.

5. Although the great majority of the Union volunteers involved in the Camp Jackson affair were German, not all were (this is evident from the muster rolls and census data.)

6. The riot started before any shooting by the soldiers occurred. The previous wording makes it sound as if the soldiers just merrily began killing militia and civilians for sport and a riot resulted.

7. Price was not offered his commission until May 12.

8. The Price-Harney meeting occurred on May 20.

9. Again contrary to original tone and wording of the article, the State Convention (under Price, no less) had orginially rejected secession on March 9, 1861 by 98 to 1. Red Harvest (talk) 04:36, 27 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

1. Lyon seized it from another US officer who had not given him access to it, and he took it without authority from BG Harney. Seizure is the right word. 3-8, I concur, altho' one could argue on 6 when the "disturbance" became a "riot", I find such things not worth quibbling over. 138.162.128.52 (talk) 12:48, 15 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Bias[edit]

This article seems to be very pro-Confederate and at times seems to conflict with information elsewhere in Wikipedia. The vote to secede ignores whether the vote was legal to begin with. This article also lacks sources for material, except, apparently, for the location of his burial.75.88.41.182 (talk) 03:34, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I'm surprised to see not a single reference to Jackson's involvement in Bleeding Kansas.--jdege (talk) 01:34, 13 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Citing sources[edit]

The above lists several sources that have not been cited in the article. They should be checked against the existing content of the article and wp:inline citations added as applicable. Additional material is available from this query against the University of Missouri Digital Collections. Follow the "Result details" links for the match pages, then the specific page numbers listed for the text that matched. LeadSongDog come howl! 03:47, 24 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The "Political offices" section[edit]

This section is biased in that it accepts Lyon's de facto, but no de jure, "firing" (admittedly a poor choice of words on my part) of Gov Jackson in 1861. The truth is that Gov Jackson was governor of the US state of Missouri from January 3, 1861 to July 23, 1861 (by Lyon's reckoning) and was succeeded by Gamble in that role. He was also governor of the Confederate state of Missouri from October 31 (or arguably November 28, 1861, when the Confederacy ratified the vote and admitted Missouri as their 12th state) until his death on December 6, 1862, and was succeeded by Thomas Caute Reynolds. Admittedly, this leaves his status unclear between July 23, 1861, and October 31, 1861, when Missouri had no yet seceded but he had been driven from Jefferson City by Lyon. (The period of "armed neutrality". The best argument, IMHO, is that Missouri had two governors during this time -- Jackson and Gamble, one elected and one appointed. My recommendation is that the box be split to show this. 138.162.128.52 (talk) 12:45, 15 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Timeline is jumbled[edit]

The timeline has been jumbled in the article. His ouster by the Missouri Constitutional Convention's executive committee has been placed in the same period as the original convention...it was not. Will need to rearrange/alter several sections. Red Harvest (talk) 05:18, 5 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]