Talk:Clan Chisholm

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To my knowledge, the clan Chisholm was never part of the Chattan confederation. I suggest that sentence is deleted, unless someone knows more about that ?—Preceding unsigned comment added by Baronnet (talk • contribs) 14:49, 22 February 2006

Recently found a book on this clan and have contributed to the article. QuintusPetillius (talk) 17:26, 11 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Chisholms of Struy[edit]

The genealogy on this page for "Chisholm of Struy" is flawed and misleading and the self-styling of the current generation as "Master of Struy" gives an erroneous impression of some kind of inherited title.

V. Theodore Chisholm died unmarried and childless. Eliza Chisholm was his aunt who married Alexander Macdonell,Invercannich. Their daughter, Isabella MacDonell, married a Colin Chisholm of Clachan whose parentage is unknown.

This Colin Chisholm, who gives his surname to the subsequent generations listed here, has no known connection to the Chisholms of Struy other than his marriage to a granddaughter of Theodore III.

Ajchis (talk) 21:47, 29 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Well if you have a source to back up yor information, then maybe changes can be made to the article.QuintusPetillius (talk) 07:29, 30 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Indeed, sources include the primary one cited in the article - Alexander MacKenzie's "History of the Chisholms", which clearly indicates the relationships I describe above, along with contemporary research by the Clan Chisholm Society's own genealogical researchers.

Alexander Mackenzie's reference to this family stops at "V. Theodore Chisholm". The numbering of the subsequent individuals as an extension of this line is not a part of MacKenzie's History, and I would suggest that there has been no other source cited for this.

I do not dispute the genealogy of Colin Chisholm of Clachan's line to the present day - only the extension of the line of "Chisholm of Struy" past Theodore V. to Eliza Chisholm (my own 4x great grandmother) and beyond. Have now removed the offending section.

Ajchis (talk) 11:22, 30 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I'm sorry - I have again removed disengenuous references to "Chisholm of Struy", which title has never existed. These references have been falsely inserted into sections quoted from Alexander Mackenzie's 1891 "History of the Chisholms". Nowehere in Mackenzie's text does he make reference to the title "of Struy" (a title which was held at the time, and previously, and for subsequent generations by a Fraser!) Nor does Mackenzie ever refer to Theodore's family as the "senior cadet family".

I have left in place the quoted text from Mackenzie but removed the false insertions. I have also removed the additional, somewhat creative attempt to continue the line of succession beyond Theodore V who was the last male heir to that branch of the family. I don't wish to spoil anyone's fun or fantasies but such misleading information should form no part of what is meant to be an "Encyclopaedic" website. Ajchis (talk) 21:50, 3 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Fiction[edit]

The Chisholms of that Ilk were a Lowland, Roxburghshire, family and NOT a clan. Yes, for different reasons a couple of branches became established in the Highlands but that does not make them a clan. This is just a stupid bastardisation of Scottish history to please the Americans. 2A00:23C4:B607:CF00:535:BBE0:FD20:74CE (talk) 17:47, 17 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, the idea that there were only clans in the Highlands and that in the Lowlands they only had families is merely a 19th century convention. There were clans and families in both the Highlands and Lowlands.QuintusPetillius (talk) 19:34, 17 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]