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Claymation vs. Clay animation
I took the liberty of revising the previous entry in order to clarify the difference between clay animation and other forms of object animation. The term ‘claymation’ or clay animation is frequently (and regrettably) misused to describe all forms of object animation, whether plastic or not.
As an example, the movie Chicken Run was listed in the previous entry as clay animation when no clay or Plasticine was used at all.
(N.B., I’ve been a designer of children’s television for more than ten years; for the past few years using stop motion animation. – D. Mark Laing)
- I'm questioning whether a greater distinction should be made between clay animation and Claymation; the latter is a registered tradmark belonging to Will Vinton, and technically only animation produced by Vinton or his various studios is Claymation. Yet the bulk of this article concerns clay animation in general. [[Clay animation]] redirects here. This strikes me as wrong. Shouldn't an article about Claymation be strictly about the work of Vinton, and the rest removed to a separate article about clay animation? It shouldn't matter how often the term is used to describe clay animation, regrettably or otherwise, and admitting that it's now a genericized trademark doesn't excuse the fact that it's incorrect usage in the senses of both nomenclature and law. The producers of Styrofoam have sued rivals for calling their products "styrofoam". If Warner Bros. began producing movies using Ray Harryhausen's clay animation technique and marketed them as Claymation, they would get sued. Canonblack 20:27, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
- Neverhood? It's mentioned... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 126.96.36.199 (talk • contribs) 22:57, 23 November 2005
- Clay Fighter was also one... Sickboy3883
- Tim Burton is not a clay animator, he's a stop motion animator who uses puppets. Check out the stop motion page for more info about the differences. Esn 07:49, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
Stop confusing clay animation films with puppet animation films!
Look people, it is really not so hard. Corpse Bride is NOT clay animation. Wallace & Gromit: The Curse of the Were-Rabbit IS clay animation. How difficult is that? If it looks like it's made out of clay or plasticine (in other words, you can mold the whole character, not just the face), call it clay animation. Otherwise, don't. I think that a lot of things in that big long list of "clay animation films/tv series" are not actually clay animation. Esn 07:41, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
- Actually, The Curse of the Were-Rabbit is computer animated. Though they did do a good job at making it look like clay. Pittsfordljb (talk) 12:57, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
The Presentators: CGI?
This article is one of thousands on Wikipedia that have a link to YouTube in it. Based on the External links policy, most of these should probably be removed. I'm putting this message here, on this talk page, to request the regular editors take a look at the link and make sure it doesn't violate policy. In short: 1. 99% of the time YouTube should not be used as a source. 2. We must not link to material that violates someones copyright. If you are not sure if the link on this article should be removed, feel free to ask me on my talk page and I'll review it personally. Thanks. ---J.S (t|c) 14:59, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
Too many examples
Should they be moved to a separate "list of clay animated movies"? That is a common practise to get lists out of an article, but still keep the info. There's no need to have 30 Will Vinton films listed in an article not about that particular studio. I did remove a few redlinks too what looked like non-notable stuff. --Janke | Talk 07:49, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
- The list is growing all the time. Anyone care to shorten it, or shall we move the list to a page of its own? --Janke | Talk 06:29, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
Shouldn't the Clay Animator known as Knox be Featured in the examples? Shouldn't he also have his own article,too? I mean, he's very famous and well known throughout Youtube,UgoPlayer, and NewGrounds. He also has his own WebSite, Two DVD's, and millions of fans. So why don't we give him an article? Sorry, just asking. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.8.131.52 (talk) 23:15, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
The example list had grown uncontrollably. I took a bold step and moved all the examples to a separate article, now linked as the first "see also". Less clutter in the article, which needs some formatting still. --Janke | Talk 20:42, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
Who invented claymation?
- Clay animation was done already during the time of silent movies, i.e. before 1927. I haven't found any references of who was first, though... --Janke | Talk 06:09, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
- There is a concern of it being public domain - the image page isn't clear about the permissions - how can it be free of copyright? Are YOU the animator? --Janke | Talk 19:27, 29 March 2010 (UTC)
- I, Sviridov Max (plastili.com) the copyright holder of this work, hereby release it into the public domain. This applies worldwide. )))
- There is plenty of room in the article for both pictures; the article is about pictures after all, another example is very helpful. --GRuban (talk) 15:47, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
- talk about the picture for this article is available here []
Both pictures seem good - Max has a valid OTRS ticket, and indeed, we ought to thank his company for putting an image in the public domain. Anyone up for approaching Nick Parke to see if Aardman will give us an image? Anyone got a screenshot of Morph from ArtAttack? Any Harryhausen? Clay animation has a lengthy history, and it's all visual, and this article could do with more pictures (if you ask me)Elen of the Roads (talk) 20:31, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
- Unfortunately did not get to engage in dialogue with the user User:MikeWazowski, who so persistently remove my picture. Maybe he can here as a comment on this? --Max Sviridov (talk) 07:54, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
- To be fair to MikeWazowski, I also reverted your addition. I agree that pictures are good(!) and am happy for the picture to stay. The concerns (for me anyway) arose from you using a username that seems to advertise your business (User:Plastili; styled as "Plastili com"), repeatedly not only adding your own picture, but removing the other one, and also adding a link to the article Clay Studio of Sviridov Max which was created by you and then deleted as "Unambiguous advertising or promotion". If you are here to donate images; that's great, and thankyou. You might consider uploading some to Wikimedia Commons so that they can be used by all Wikimedia sites.--BelovedFreak 10:11, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
- horror! disclosed a terrible secret! disclosed all of my userneyms! good If really so, I will tell the world all the terrible secrets about me. In wikipedia I have a nickname Zyz. My ip: 184.108.40.206. And yet I have replaced all other foreign articles about Clay animation old picture on my own. So what?
Seriously, I have already written, and I repeat again. My name is Maxim Sviridov. I never hid from anyone. userneyms I changed because I'm not very experienced user of Wikipedia. nick Plastili_kom or Plastili I use almost all Frum articles and catalogs Internet - this address to my site. Separately, once again want to reiterate that I am not very modest, and suffer from delusions of grandeur. And then what? P.S. Special thanks BelovedFreak for appreciating my work (picture). And yet, I'm very - very glad that you are so closely following my work on Wikipedia, I hope you in the future will be here, somewhere next to me. An article about my studio will soon be returned, but until you can take part in the discussion on the talk page, the user Gnangarra --Max Sviridov (talk) 12:13, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
- While it's all well and good that Max is "donating" his image to the public domain, his image doesn't really add anything to the article. And since it was added as part of his creating an article (Clay Studio of Sviridov Max) about himself/his company that was clearly self-promotional, I can't see this, his claims to the otherwise, as anything but the same. MikeWazowski (talk) 15:28, 17 April 2010 (UTC)
- Mike, I have reverted your change. I can't see how you can claim that the image "doesn't add anything" - we have hardly any free images for clay animation, because they are all made by commercial companies. The issue of an article about the company is entirely separate to the use of the image here - it isn't advertising for the company, it's illustrating clay animation. Elen of the Roads (talk) 17:07, 17 April 2010 (UTC)
It says that Gumbasia was the first stop motion clay animation movie, but this one seems to be older: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mlXafKjDYxY — Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.127.116.11 (talk) 15:39, 7 March 2015 (UTC)