Talk:Climate change in popular culture

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Hawt or Not[edit]

Where is the futurama reference "none like it hot"? —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 05:36, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

Suggestions for improving article[edit]

Hey, great idea for an article! This could be a great resource for people looking for novels and movies that feature global warming. Unfortunately, it's poorly organized. So, here's what I suggest:

1) Create categories like feature films, novels, short stories, comics, and television.

2) Under each category, list each entry either alphabetically or chronologically. I think alphabetic would be the easiest to do. However, chronologic would be good as it would kind of show the evolution of climate change in pop culture, and would be more helpful to people looking for more recent references.

3) Begin we each entry with its title, followed by a brief description or plot summary.

4) To keep the article truly focused on pop culture, we should not include documentaries or non-fiction writings, as these things don't quite fit the definition.

If nobody has any objections, I'll start working on the re-org.--CurtisSwain (talk) 06:30, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

Street art?[edit]

Should this article include street art also? There's no category for it as yet. I'm thinking specifically of this recent piece of work by graffiti artist Banksy which I think would count as 'popular culture'? : "Banksy marked the end of the 2009 United Nations Climate Change Conference by painting 4 murals on global warming. One included "I don't believe in global warming" which was submerged in water."[1] ~Susan (talk) 00:58, 3 January 2010 (UTC)


Article probation[edit]

Please note that, by a decision of the Wikipedia community, this article and others relating to climate change (broadly construed) has been placed under article probation. Editors making disruptive edits may be blocked temporarily from editing the encyclopedia, or subject to other administrative remedies, according to standards that may be higher than elsewhere on Wikipedia. Please see Wikipedia:General sanctions/Climate change probation for full information and to review the decision. -- ChrisO (talk) 13:39, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

Would the Colin Beavan film No Impact Man be included or not since it is a documentary?[edit]

Would the Colin Beavan film No Impact Man be included or not since it is a documentary? (talk) 16:56, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

Is it it "popular"? (no opinion). Does it have to do with "climate change"? (probably not). — Arthur Rubin (talk) 16:58, 21 March 2010 (UTC)
"Yes" to both of Arthur's questions, but, no it should not be included. Although climate change is addressed and the family does reduce their carbon footprint, it's more about our overall impact on the planet, greenhouse gases being just one. And we're not including documentaries here, so, no. Good film though.--CurtisSwain (talk) 21:31, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

Resource, PRC[edit]

Beijing Gallery Puts a Focus on Global Warming by Edward Wong, published September 28, 2011 in The New York Times. (talk) 22:13, 29 September 2011 (UTC)

Proposed move of five items from another article[edit]

There are five items in Climate change in literature which are not in Climate change in popular culture: The Drowned World, Mother of Storms, The Carbon Diaries: 2015 (sic), Far North, The Contingency Plan. I propose to add them to Climate change in popular culture, then do a blank-and-redirect on Climate change in literature. Reasoning: readers can find all climate-change-in-literature items in one place. But if there are definite objections on the talk page of either article, I won't bother. Peter Gulutzan (talk) 23:36, 25 May 2013 (UTC)

I have now added the items. Peter Gulutzan (talk) 23:41, 1 June 2013 (UTC)

Non-fiction books[edit]

I have effectively reverted's addition of several non-fiction books to the Literature section. I objected on May 5 that these books are not Literature, in Talk:Climate_change_in_literature, and saw no reply. They also are not "popular" or "cultural", as far as I can tell. I did not remove the praise of Al Gore. And if somebody has some good criteria for inclusion that wouldn't include (say) the first IPCC report, perhaps more can fit. Peter Gulutzan (talk) 01:20, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

Sorry to have made your work more difficult by restoring the edits by a blocked editor. However, whatever the definition of "literature", some of them do qualify as "popular culture". — Arthur Rubin (talk) 02:42, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
The current Amazon rank of one of Mr/Ms Blocked Anonymous's "popular culture" books, Greenhouse solutions with sustainable energy, is: 3,255,721. I don't believe his/her selection represents popular impact. It's more objective or up-to-date to say "see". Peter Gulutzan (talk) 14:04, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

Merging "Climate fiction" into "Climate change in popular culture"[edit]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.
The result of this discussion was no consensus. – Paine  17:21, 20 April 2015 (UTC)

Nearly all of the text in Climate fiction is bibliographic in nature, and is therefore redundant with the sections of this article. The little bit from "climate fiction" that actually says something about the genre in general could easily be transported here.

The reason to merge from that article into Climate change in popular culture is because there are a few words here that do not easily fit into the other article - the section about video games. That's not "fiction", and that's why we should remove the redundancy of these two article by merging from there to here. For that matter, maintaining the article here allows for addition of new categories, e.g., music and visual art. NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 15:57, 31 March 2015 (UTC)

My initial reaction was merge, but most of the content of "Climate change fiction" belongs with literature rather than popular culture. Indeed many of the works discussed in the "Climate change fiction" article are dystopian, but not all, so a full merge with that article would not be correct either. Most, if not all of the fiction section, of "Climate change in popular culture" isn't really popular culture.
The use of "bibliographic" above is eccentric, but I'm presuming that the writer must want the article (Climate fiction) to be focussed mainly on literary theory. Rwood128 (talk) 16:29, 31 March 2015 (UTC)
I think you meant to link Climate fiction, rather than the science article Climate change. [Corrected]
Our guidelines talk about lists of various types of works as "bibliographies". These include lists of films as well as books, etc. See
In reply to your reasoning, thanks for input, and I disagree because nothing should be read into the current state of the other article. After being ignored for along while, the other article (Climate fiction) is nonetheless in an early state of evolution, so we shouldn't reason our way to the best way to present this material based on its current condition. Instead we should consider the material and pick the way that avoids redundancy and maximizes reader comprehension and usefulness. NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 16:49, 31 March 2015 (UTC)
A discussion of novels isn't bibliographical. I'm puzzled. A bibliography indeed is a list. Perhaps the discussion is too brief, but as you say "we shouldn't reason our way to the best way to present this material based on its current condition". But the above suggests that you are only vaguely aware of what bibliographies are and have never created one. See [1] for an example of a real bibliography. Rwood128 (talk) 17:32, 31 March 2015 (UTC)
Not long ago (earlier today in fact) the text at Climate fiction you characterize as "discussion" was mostly unreferenced and at that time appeared to be WP:Original research. If the text that was unsupported at that time had been purged, all that would be left is the material appropriate for a bare-bones list, i.e., a bibliography. I even managed to say that without subtle digs intended to snub others. NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 18:07, 31 March 2015 (UTC)
Sorry. NewsAndEventsGuy, I was doing my best to be polite, but I had great difficulty understanding the way that you were using the word "bibliographical". I realized that what I said could be read as a snub but I did my best. I only gave the example because I genuinely thought you were confused. I suppose I might have read your earlier reference to guidelines equally as a snub, or condescending, but actually it didn't register.
As citations were provided (or speedily added, or corrected) your explanation still doesn't make sense to me.
I thought that I was being helpful by adding valid material. This is one of the most unwelcoming places I've ever encountered while editing. Rwood128 (talk) 18:39, 31 March 2015 (UTC)
In some respects while editing an encyclopedia such as this one, you may need to develop a "thick skin", Rwood128. This may especially apply to areas that are controversial and where people often take things "the wrong way". You have my respects for sticking to your guns and expressing your opinions as best anyone can. So please try not to become disillusioned, as we're all here to improve this reference work, even though that may not seem so sometimes. – [User:Paine Ellsworth|Paine Ellsworth]]CLIMAX! 19:01, 31 March 2015 (UTC)[
Paine Ellsworth Thanks. Rwood128 (talk) 19:12, 31 March 2015 (UTC)
And I appreciate your adding references over there. Besides a thick skin, one also needs a constant appreciation for the fact that we edit in a dynamic environment, so impressions formed in one hour might lead to statements in a later hour without realizing the impression is no longer up to date. That's what happened here. There's also the tendency to assume what is obvious to each of us (sometimes unconsciously) is equally obvious to everyone else. That assumption is frequently at the heart of bruised feelings. NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 19:25, 31 March 2015 (UTC)
  • Oppose. (edit conflict) At first I was neutral on this merge idea, and it still may be a good idea; however, after seeing what the cli-fi article was before all the fleece was sheared and the talk-page discussions, it may be a better idea to continue to develop Climate fiction into a good article. – Paine EllsworthCLIMAX! 18:10, 31 March 2015 (UTC)
I'm trying to hear something other than a like/dislike WP:!vote, but I'm afraid I don't. If there is logical reasoning in your opinion Paine, please help by elaborating? Thanks.NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 19:25, 31 March 2015 (UTC)
Okay, essentially I did find much of the article before it was sheared interesting, even though a good deal of it was obviously OR and COI and some of it addressed readers personally with words like "you", much like one would expect on a talk page, but not in an encyclopedic article. Even though it's been stripped of that, I feel that some of the deleted material might still be good and just needed proper referencing. As I know nothing about the subject, I hope that editors will see the sometimes subtle difference between COI and "expert advice" from those closely associated with the subject. As long as the improvements meet the requirements of the pillars of Wikipedia and associated policies and guidelines, what Cli-fi needs is expert guidance on the subject. If and when that is done, it is my estimation that Cli-fi could be turned into a good article. – Paine EllsworthCLIMAX! 20:58, 31 March 2015 (UTC)
I've been feeling guilty, because I feel that I confused matters by wrongly suggesting that the "Main article" for "Climate fiction" was "Climate change in popular culture" (when I added the link banner). The present of high culture authors in the fiction section of the popular culture article confused me. See my earlier opposition to the merge, on the grounds that the the article, "Climate fiction", does not actually deal with works of popular culture.
I also wondered about the earlier cut material, but have only once given it a very brief scan. However, I think Paine Ellsworth's opinion should be taken seriously. Rwood128 (talk) 09:59, 1 April 2015 (UTC)
Shouldn't the merge banner be removed as there doesn't appear to be any support for a merge? Rwood128 (talk) 12:40, 12 April 2015 (UTC)

Yes check.svg Done NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 12:46, 12 April 2015 (UTC)

The above discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.

High culture and popular culture[edit]

As a non-expert on this topic I am puzzled by the inclusion of high culture authors in the "Fiction section"". Shouldn't they be deleted or some explanation added for their inclusion? Are even J. G. Ballard or Kim Stanley Robinson, let alone Ian McEwan and jeanette Winterson, popular culture authors? Rwood128 (talk) 07:54, 2 April 2015 (UTC)