Talk:Climate of Italy
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Removed possible copyvio
Two parts of this major addition match  (note in particular the "compare the tables" line linking to exactly the same examples even though our Brindisi article doesn't have a climate table); I have removed these parts, but have not attempted to determine whether the rest of the added text was copied from somewhere else.--QuantumEngineer (talk) 08:00, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
Climate Data of Italy
On Wikipedia in Italian language, there is this category with the regional subcategories of the meteorological stations with many climate datas (for example look here). --126.96.36.199 (talk) 13:57, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
Edits on Cfa and other remarks
Edit : a lot of approximations in the article. The comparison between winters of Cfa climate and oceanic climate (Paris or London) has no sense because both have mild winters (it depends of the nuances). Snow influence is exagerated. And this climate is not at all continental (too mild winters). Florence is rather mediterranean (dry summers). In fact, the essential mark of Cfa climate is the hot and wet summer. Oceanic climate does not really exist, excepted some local montainous areas. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.8.131.52 (talk) 20:15, 10 September 2010 (UTC)
I cancelled Florence from humid subtropical: having colder winters thamn Genoa or Rome does not mean it has a climate similar to North Italy! Florence has a kind of "inner-land Mediterranean" climate, with very hot and dry summers, and colder (but not as cold as in the North) winters when frost is not uncommon and a few snowfalls may be seen. Claiming that North Italy winters are "mild" is another mistake: January is as cold as in West Germany or Holland, and the entire season is colder than England or France, comparing it to places located at the same altitude or distance from the sea. Otherwise, we could state that entire West Europe has mild to warm winters (I am serious, West Europe winters are no way as cold as East Europe or Scandinavia ones). Days of snow are often in a lower number, but the average snow fallen in the single day is often higher: a little paradox, since North Italy is someway "protected" by mountain chains by winter, both to north and to south; so the cold air remains trapped (fog and frost are very common) but there are fewer rain/snowfall days. Filippo83 (talk) 14:02, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
It is plain ignorance to call the Italian climate (or even the Spanish, Portuguese, Greek, Crimean) as sub-tropical. How can Milan, a city located as north as Montreal be considered as having subtropical climate LOOOOLLLL, while San Francisco (parallel 38 N it never snows), Melbourne (parallel 38 S it never snows) or even Sydney (parallel 34 S what???) are considered to have plain temperate climate????? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.108.40.206 (talk) 02:47, 2 January 2015 (UTC)
Snow is a regular visitor in Italy, specially in the mountains. In some coastal areas there is little to no snow in some areas, specially by the west coastal areas (west coast areas are always milder and rainier than east coasts due to the westerly winds common in temperate latitudes). In the low areas by the Po valley, rising winds coming up through the Adriatic sea may make the weather milder, while the Alps make a shield against the freezing winds coming from Central / Eastern Europe. However in no way it makes cities like Milan having the kind of sub tropical climate one may find in Eastern Continental latitudes like in the US south, or in Sydney, or in Southern Japan and Shangai, or In Southern Brazil, Uruguay, and the region of Buenos Aires, Argentina, or in eastern/south South Africa (Durban, Port Elisabeth). These are the real subtropical climates located by the parallels 30º / 35º both north and south of the equator. Milan, at paralel 45º north,is much farhter away from the equator. Rome is located above the paralel 40. Snow is rare there, yet it's cold in the winter. Too cold for a subtropical location. If Italy is subtropical, then the whole New Zealand is subtropical too (it does not snow in the coastal areas of New Zealand). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.127.116.11 (talk) 00:13, 14 January 2015 (UTC)
The winters in Italy are often colder than in many parts of Britain, Ireland or the Pacific coast of Canada. Italy does not have subtropical climate. Fact. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 18.104.22.168 (talk) 21:39, 14 January 2015 (UTC)
Sub-tropical, Florence etc.
I edited the Cfa chapter, to include a sub-chapter with the transition between Cfa and Csa climates, which is not so uncommon in Italy: the example would be Florence, as well as inner Tuscany, but also microclimates in North Italy lakes and hills can be considered in this area. Where main features are not totally Cfa nor Csa, allowing olive trees to be cultivated (please note: that's quite different from planting an olive tree in the house garden), but not really Mediterranean climate (e.g. frost is frequent in winter, sometime snow, and of course summer is wetter). This would anyway be more a Cfa climate, according to Köppen classification, than anything else: but it is worth to distinguish it from the main cities of the North and the Po Valley. This of course modifies a little my previous statement (see above): summer precipitation in Florence is 150mm (July 37mm), in Bologna 150mm as well (41mm), in Milan 222mm (67mm) and in Rome 83mm (22mm); all averages 1971-2000. Actually the line separating, in mid-summer, "greener" North Italy from the dry grass fields of the Centre and South, passes more often south of Florence than along the Appennines.
As it is worth to spend a word on sub-tropical according to Köppen. This is not the tropical definition we are used to: it is simply a classification, much wide indeed, which includes any place where summer is hot (hottest month daily average >22°C), precipitation is distributed through the entire year (no dry winter or summer) and coldest month ranges from 0°C (some source: -3°C) to 18°C. As you can see, it may include places as different in seasonal weather as NYC and Hong Kong. It can range from cold, snowy winters and moderately hot and humid summers; to places where winter season does not exist from our point of view, and summers are very sultry and uncomfortable. I do not like too much this classification either, but unfortunately that's it.
What a mess...
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