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Fan speculation?[edit]

"His last role might have been the biggest in terms of importance..."

That appears to be a conclusion.

"Amanda Waller presumably recruits him..."

Please provide a citation to support either of those claims. CovenantD 04:09, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

I's on the Epilogue article. You can also watch it. CK checks his watch and walks of the scene, and he is holding a medical case. Dwayne McDuffie aside, the rest is just matter of putting 2 and 2 together. :B (I'm such a geek, I'm ashamed of myself hehe)--T-man, the wise 04:41, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

1) The link you provided was wrong. I've corrected it. 2) Nothing in that article provides a reference to check your allegations, it merely repeats them. 3) "Presumably recruits" seems to be an assumption by the writer of the article. Again, provide a reason why these are not original research, or these two claims need to be removed. CovenantD 14:27, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

Take it easy, watch the episode, enjoy it. Go to Waynes page. The article says official, enough for me. Seriously, you are taking the fun of the DCAU. If you stick your hand ind my wound will you believe in me? How come you are so sure it's just an allegation, I say you saying "it's just an allegation" is just an allegation. If it walks like the clock king and moves like the clock king, then it is a Clock king. They draw a clock king checking his watch with a medical briefcase. They are not idiots that forget who the character was and draw him by accident. Following you logic, they'd have made thousands of episodes with villains crossing in de background just because they feel lazy and like not drawing a new animation of regular people checking his watch with a medical briefcase.

Easy to brove by just watching the episode + somebody wrote it and it's not me + oficial from Dwayne McDuffie = the real deal. Gosh, are you actually doing this just to bother me? Seriously, take it easy. You are not dying it's just a silly article. Stop sucking the fun of it, man.—Preceding unsigned comment added by T-man, the Wise Scarecrow (talkcontribs)

Try reading the portions that I'm contesting, not what you think I mean. I'm not saying it wasn't Tempus, I'm saying you don't know that he was recruited by Waller. Your use of the word "presumably" supports the idea that this is not shown in any episode. I'm also asking you to cite something that says it might have been his most important appearance. That seems to be pure opinion, so who's is it and are they notable?

What "Waynes page" do you mean? I can't tell and you don't provide a reference. Biblical alliterations aside, an encyclopedia should not be a matter of faith, it should a matter or citable research. CovenantD 21:55, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

What the hell are you talking about? are we even talking about the same character and the same series? Dwayne McDuffie is the guy who kinda replaced Paul Dini who wasn't very active on Justice League. Do you really think CK was just saying hello or what. What's the matter with you? Should the character have been holding a Wile E. Coyote banner saying "Hi, I'm Task Force X's own Temple Fugate, a. k. a. Clock King. The medical briefcase I'm holding contains some lab made Batman manjuice ready to beat the hell out of this poor loser DNA material because that Amanda Waller bitch sent me to switch it with his flu shot"; and a "Clock King (Taskforcexus exus agentus)" clarification so that you understand his implication?? He was the character choosen to be at that place at that time in Epilogue because of that reason!! What's so hard to understand, even withoud the briefcase the situatuon couldn't stop scream obvious more. Yeah, ""so characteristic of him to bear a medical brief case, ' never seen him without one"". ""I never go to the hospital without mine, my body is my temple, I ain't letting no harverd-ass doctor from the future put me some filthy crazy kind of band-aid on me. I don't know where that crap has been before..."" But ok, I dond mind presumably, you might be righ, maybe Tempus, a guy with perfect sneaking, calculating and planning skills, was on Waller re tell of Warren McGinnis DNA alteration holding a medical briefcase because ""Mickey mouse sent him to steal band-aids as part of a crazy plot to get Daisy Duck pregnant"".--T-man, the wise 08:23, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

And, no. Biblical alliterations are not aside, you never get to expres faith on a enciclopedia, only to describe other people's faith with sources. --T-man, the wise 08:26, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

Ah, Dwayne. See, another example of your meaning getting lost in your spelling. You said to go to Waynes page.
As for the rest of it, watch the sarcasm. You're already under scrutiny for incivility. CovenantD 08:30, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

hey, take it easy. It was fun to exagerate how you made a storm out of a glass of water. I know you're a good person. I truly love DC Comics, but do you realize hoy meaningles is this argument. (It wasn't spell I confused his name, sometimes I confuse Jamies with Jeremies. I've grandpa syndrome, heheh --T-man, the wise 09:17, 2 June 2006 (UTC))

T-man, I gotta ask you on a personal level to take a minute and re-read the stuff that you type on here. It's pretty hard to follow. I know this is just a talk page, but if your words are gonna be up here for months or years, then you should take another minute to proofread so it's easier to follow. And if you're gonna talk about a page, why not throw in a link man? Throw us a bone here. -- --El benito 03:44, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

HAHAHAHA. I like you, El benito.--T-man, the wise 16:50, 3 June 2006 (UTC) I adsed links to my words to please you.T-man, the wise 16:59, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

The character in Epilogue is not Temple Fugate. His suit and hair are both black, whereas Fugate has grey hair and tends to wear either grey or brown suits. The character is, in fact, a commonly-seen background character the fans have dubbed "Mr. Lucky", because he has been seen in the backgrounds of various Batman Beyond episodes. It has not been confirmed, but the character design could be based off of DCAU director Dan Riba, who looks very similar to the character. I'll take it out. -- (Anonymous) 21:13, 26 June 2006

I propose the DCAU article be merged with the current comic continuity one. The comic continuity is based...IS the DCAU one down to the name, costume and modus operandi. Therefore the infobox should be edited to reflect that his first appearance be from the Batman TAS episode The Clock King instead of the Teen Titans issue. We shouldn't write articles [i]in universe[/i], so by that logic we should not have that take precedent as the "definitive" version. Besides it's all fictional anyway. Having them be chronological makes sense.-- (talk) 09:40, 30 September 2009 (UTC)


Somebody moved the page to Clock King (Batman: The Animated Series) and since this is not an episode article this really sucks. Can somebody take care of it and move it back to The Clock King--T-man, the wise 00:28, 27 July 2006 (UTC)


There is currently an Edit War going on between CovenantD and The Judge.

It is about having multiple infoboxes on the page.

So, let's have a civilized discussion here before making any reversions. I dont want to see anybody blocked for 3RR.

Should we have 2 infoboxes there? One reason to keep it is because it helps people know more facts from the infobox and is easier then writing a paragraph with the fact inserted in there. On the other hand, i've never seen it done before, and I think it is standard guideline to only have one infobox.

What is anyone else's opinions? GeorgeMoney (talk) 19:40, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

It is standard to have only one SHB per discussion and agreement at Wikipedia Comics Project. The Judge simply doesn't want to accept that. Removing again. CovenantD 23:03, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

Please don't say things about people like "simply doesn't want to accept that". That is not helping the discussion and is not a productive attitude, but what is productive is to be civil. When we are nice to each-other it helps the discussion. So how about you guys settle your personal differences and lets discuss this article, shall we? GeorgeMoney (talk) 23:18, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

I've said all I intend to say. Take it up at the Comics Project. CovenantD 23:29, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

You're confused, the wikiproject says:

The use of infoboxes to identify the succession of a superhero identity, for example Robin (comics), from one alter ego to another, is discouraged. It is felt something as fluid as fictional, comics continuity is not so easily represented. Roman numerals are also discouraged as a means of identifying holders of a superhero identity.

If you observe carefully, what this is avoiding is an shuperherobox with information of more than one hero on it. Like the old Atom article. Each character gets an infobox. Even supporting characters. Forget about the small world of superheroes, it is also a WP general guideline on characters that each gets an infobox. Template:Character infobox.

If you go deep into analizing the example you'll find that each robin has his own article and each gets an infobox. In this case none of the personas goning by the Clock King alias has a separated article yet, but the characters virtually only share the name.

Besides the DCAU character infobox is ment to put the comic character in the DCAU context. In orther of importance what the reader must be able to apreciate from it is:

1)Apearences: how many, in which shows, the first, the last, the only, etc. From that info the reader gets how importan was the character actually for the DCAU.


2)The image: You get to se the phisical differences. When you see a well sourced image you as a reader automatically place the given information into a context of reality. "There is an image of this character drown in DCAU style, there fore the characted appeared in the series.

3)The statistics: This can be controversial, when the statistics are the exact same as the ones from the regular universe, I wouldn't think it'd be a bad idea to remove all. However by leaving those, you leave no place for doubts. The reader can make sure the character adaptation is loyal to the original.

4)Powers: In most cases the powers are not the same. Otherwise, it can be indicated.

However, the botom line is you confused, every single comicbook persona gets a superherobox. In the future, try to be more polite and avoid enforcing editorial decitions only on your own opinion. --The Judge 06:17, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

  • I agree that the box should be included. There's no repeated information - they are completely different characters in different universes - and it's helpful to note differences between the two. Additionally, I think that the edited-down text should be replaced with the original, unexpurgated version. --Mister Six 20:42, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
    • In fact, I went ahead and did it. That's the power of positive thinking! --Mister Six 21:40, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
      • What you seemed to do was a wholesale reversion of my edits with no attempt at discussion of that reversion. The information you have re-added is not considered of encyclopedic value and is written from an in-universe approach, per writing about fiction guidance. Information should be presented with regard to the importance it has to the topic; in this instance the animated version of the character has been made, through your edits, to be more important than the comics character and the other adaptations. This is against WP:NPOV. Hope these pointers help in your editing, Hiding Talk 22:00, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
The information you wish to put in the DCAU inforbox does not belong in the character box; instead, it should go into a seaprate list article about DCAU characters. A simple table can list such things as actor and appearances, with links to the episodes. I don't understand your point on the image. There is already usally an image in the articles you are adding this template to. The information that is relevent to the article, such as the voice actor, is also usually already included, and inforboxes are never a subsitute for paragraphs on the subject. Any information in an inforbox should already be in the article anyway. As for stats: Statistics are meaningless, insignificant trivia that are unnecessary, and which do not really add to a reader's understanding of the character. I'm not sure why a Wikipedia reader needs to "make sure the character adaptation is loyal to the original." --Chris Griswold () 00:23, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

Clean up of animation section[edit]

I've cleaned up the animation section per guidance and removed thge info box on three counts:

  • It unbalances the article.
  • There were style issues with it's appearance cutting across text.
  • There's no call for two infoboxes in an article.

Also, can people focus on the article, not the user. Hiding Talk 11:53, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

Just a comment on the second bullet: it doesn't cut across the text in my browser (IE6 on XP Pro SP 2). Maybe a technical issue with some browsers? If so, it should be brought up in that template's talk page (along with the details of your browser and OS). -- JHunterJ 14:31, 6 September 2006 (UTC)


I removed the section given to seanbaby, which, if anything, belongs as an external link. -- Ipstenu (talk|contribs) 18:36, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

Clock King on The Batman?[edit]

In the other media section, it mentions Clock King appearing on The Batman. I don't think that was confirmed.

A character named Francis Gray with the ability to reverse time by twenty seconds appeared, but he was never actually called the clock king. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Vinnyvinny2 (talkcontribs) 19:16, August 28, 2007 (UTC)


I'm not sure the events really happened that way...but I don't have the graphic novel right now. Lots42 (talk) 07:45, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

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52 Information[edit]

From the article:"Clock King is not seen for a period of time after Infinite Crisis. In an issue of 52, one character decides to kill all the time-travelers, and mentions someone "ending up like Time Commander and Clock Queen". The reference even be in here? Clock King isn't mentioned at all and just because Clock Queen's name is reminiscent of his still doesn't make the refernce that important. Also, syaing that he "is not seen for a period of time after Infinite Crisis" doesn't make sense, since he's dead, isn't seen long time before Infinite Crisis and hasn't shown up until now. IchiGhost (talk) 23:18, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

Temple Fugate/Tempus Fugit[edit]

Should there be a mention that "Temple Fugate" seems to be a play on "Tempus Fugit"? Daniel Benfield (talk) 03:45, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

Original Clock King picture[edit]

Could anyone find a picture of the original Clock King (William Tockman) so it could be put in the template of this article? Rainbowcat 1 September 2009 (UTC)

Temple Fugate appeared in the DCAU first! Should Chronological Categorization go before Universal Groupings?[edit]

I propose that the DCAU article be merged with the current comic continuity one or be mentioned before the comic Temple Fugate. The comic continuity is based...IS the DCAU one down to the name, costume and modus operandi. Therefore the infobox should be edited to reflect that his first appearance be from the Batman TAS episode The Clock King instead of the Teen Titans issue. We shouldn't write articles in universe, so by that logic we should not have that take precedent as the "definitive" version. Besides it's all fictional anyway. Having them be chronological makes sense.-- (talk) 09:40, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

Clock King not The Clock[edit]

There is a section of the article describing the first Clock King appearing in Star Spangled Comics and being a foe of Robin. This is most definitely not the Clock King but a minor golden age character called The Clock, who is totally unrelated to Clock King. It seems like a good idea to either remove this and/or make a separate page for the Clock, or at least explain in the article that this is not the Clock King but a different and unconnected character. Shallowgravy (talk) 09:08, 24 September 2013 (UTC)

The article is currently inconsistent regarding the incarnations of the Clock King. By section:
Infobox: 1. William Tockman, 2. Tem
Lead: 1. the Clock, 2. William Tockman
Publication history: 1. the Clock, 2. William Tockman and Tem
Fictional character biography: 1. William Tockman, 2. Tem
Powers and abilities: unclear, but probably 1. William Tockman, 2. Tem
Quick and Dirty User Account (talk) 16:10, 27 March 2014 (UTC)