Talk:Closing Time (album)

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Good article Closing Time (album) has been listed as one of the Music good articles under the good article criteria. If you can improve it further, please do so. If it no longer meets these criteria, you can reassess it.
Article milestones
Date Process Result
May 11, 2011 Good article nominee Not listed
August 11, 2012 Good article nominee Listed
Current status: Good article

GA nomination[edit]

After extensive work on this article, and a major update to its previous state, I'm nominating this article for good article (GA) status. The article has been modelled of other good articles (Pretty on the Inside) and featured articles (Doolittle (album) and In Utero (album)) in terms of layout, included information, templates, references and notes, and feel it satisfies all good article criteria as noted in WP:GACR.

GA Review[edit]

This review is transcluded from Talk:Closing Time (album)/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: SilkTork *YES! 21:58, 2 May 2011 (UTC)

I'll be looking at the article over the next few days, and then I'll start to leave some comments. SilkTork *YES! 21:58, 2 May 2011 (UTC)

GA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria

  1. Is it reasonably well written?
    A. Prose quality:
    B. MoS compliance for lead, layout, words to watch, fiction, and lists:
  2. Is it factually accurate and verifiable?
    A. References to sources:
    B. Citation of reliable sources where necessary:
    C. No original research:
  3. Is it broad in its coverage?
    A. Major aspects:
    B. Focused:
  4. Is it neutral?
    Fair representation without bias:
  5. Is it stable?
    No edit wars, etc:
  6. Does it contain images to illustrate the topic?
    A. Images are copyright tagged, and non-free images have fair use rationales:
    B. Images are provided where possible and appropriate, with suitable captions:
  7. Overall:
    Pass or Fail:

On hold[edit]

This is an attractive article, and is mainly quite decent; however, the prose needs a bit of close copyediting, I've picked up a couple of spelling mistakes. And sometimes it's not that clear - what does this mean: "The album is noted for being predominantly folk-influenced, however, contrasted Waits' original sound, which was intended to be 'a jazz, piano-led album'."? There are some sources which don't like that reliable, and would need checking via Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard. There are statements which need sourcing, and some statements read like original research. Closing Time is one of my favourite albums, so I would be keen to help improve this article at some point, but I'm not sure I have the time right now. I'll put this on hold and inform significant contributors and WikiProjects. I think a little bit of effort in sharpening and tidying the prose, and in looking for and using reliable sources, would see this through GA. In the meantime I have ordered Lowside of the Road, which is used as a major source for the article. SilkTork *YES! 12:39, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

Close - not listed[edit]

Significant contributors, Album WikiProject and nominator were informed, but sadly no work has been done, and no communication left. Sometimes happens. This review is now closed without the article being listed. The article may be nominated again, after the matters mentioned above have been looked into. I will keep this article on my watchlist as I think it could be cleaned up without too much effort. SilkTork *Tea time 11:47, 11 May 2011 (UTC)

Genres[edit]

I started a discussion here of the genres on Tom Waits albums. I encourage all interested editors to participate. Thanks. ---RepublicanJacobiteTheFortyFive 15:43, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

Second GA nomination[edit]

After some additions and clean-ups, I'm renominating the article for GA. There were some minor issues in the prose and the reliable source issues addressed in the last GA review that have been fixed. Hopefully the article meets the GA criteria this time around. Idiotchalk (t@lk) 19:37, 26 July 2012 (UTC)

GA Review[edit]

This review is transcluded from Talk:Closing Time (album)/GA2. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: GreatOrangePumpkin (talk · contribs) 16:50, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)
  1. It is reasonably well written.
    a (prose): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):
    "major releases through Asylum" - link Asylum as confusing
    "The album's lead, and only, single, "Ol' '55"," - can be just "The album's lead and only single, "Ol' '55","
    "on LP in 1976, on CD in 1992 and 1999 and 180 gram LP in 2010." - suggest adding a comma after "1999"
    "Waits' setlist at these series of shows, described as "hootenanny nights"[11]" - a comma at the end of Ref 11
    "consisted primarily of Bob Dylan covers[12]" - ditto
    " and Waits signed to Asylum Records within a month." comma ahead "and"
    "Drummer John Seiter, guitarist Peter Klimes, trumpeter Tony Terran and additional guitarist Shep Cooke were recruited through Yester and through Seiter, jazz bassist Bill Plummer was hired. " ref needed
    "The main recording sessions for Closing Time took place at Sunset Sound Recorders in Hollywood, California—where Buffalo Springfield, Joni Mitchell, Neil Young and The Doors had previously recorded—during spring 1972 with Yester fronting production, almost immediately after Waits's signing and were described "quick and efficent."[18]" sloppy. Add comma after "1972". It should be split into two sentences. Perhaps move "almost immediately... Waits's signing" to the beginning of the sentence, and merge California with "during spring, with..." and the content inside the mdashes could be added in the end after a semicolon
    "; articulating his direction and using metaphors to describe how he wanted the songs to sound. " - semicolon should be a simple comma
    "The sessions took a total of ten days with the first two days focusing on "getting used to [the studio]"[20]" period missing, add comma ahead "with the..."
    "Both Waits and Yester wanted to record during the evening and night, " - could be just "during evening..."
    "however, due to no slots being available, recorded through the morning and afternoon "from ten to five every day."[20]" but as no slots were avalaible, it was recorded through ..."
    "The sessions concluded with a total of nine songs completed," replace comma with period
    "The following Sunday, the final session for Closing Time began, with guest musicians Arni Egilsson replacing Plummer and Jesse Erlich performing cello.[21]" - The final session for Closing Time began in the following Sunday, with..."
    "The title track, "Closing Time", was the only song recorded in full and Yester later described the session as " add comma ahead "and Yester"
    Does the "3:22" have any meaning? Does it symbolize anything?
  2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.
    a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):
    IMdB is not reliable
  3. It is broad in its coverage.
    a (major aspects): b (focused):
  4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.
    Fair representation without bias:
  5. It is stable.
    No edit wars, etc.:
  6. It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.
    a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
  7. Overall: The prose in the first sections could use a copyedit--Kürbis () 09:40, 11 August 2012 (UTC)
    Pass/Fail:
Addressed all of the issues, hopefully it's up to scratch. Idiotchalk (t@lk) 12:39, 11 August 2012 (UTC)
Pass meets criteria. Regards.--Kürbis () 19:59, 11 August 2012 (UTC)

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