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Etymology of cobblestons[edit]

I'm a bit curious about the claimed etymology. If there's a cite for it, fine. However, the German word for this paving is "Kopfstein Pflaster," which is very similar in sound and meaning. It's possible, of course, that both languages evolved a similar word from older origins, but I'm wondering if the two words don't have a common ancestor. Hmoulding (talk) 14:57, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

I don't have a citation for it either, but if it's a folk etymology, it's a very good one.71.242.215.246 (talk) 04:00, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

I would like to point out something regarding the things said about the claimed etymology. The article now says "Most surviving genuinely old 'cobbled' areas are in reality pitched surfaces. A cobbled area is known as a "causey", "cassay" or "cassie" in Scots (probably from causeway).[1]", while in the Dutch article https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kassei it says: "Het woord kassei (en de oudere vorm kalsijde) komt van het Latijnse (via) calceata: met steen bedekt(e weg)." The English version of this article is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sett_(paving) Causey and cassay sound roughly the same as the Dutch pronounce "kassei". In the Dutch article, it is said that the Dutch word "kassei" originates form the Latin "(via) calceata", meaning "(road) paved with stone". In this article on cobblestones we are discussing right now, lots of effort is put into trying to explain the difference between setts and cobblestons. Then it's rather peculiar that the article also lists other names for cobblestones that are roughly the same as the Dutch word for setts, isn't it? I was just wondering if there hasn't been an error here somewhere. If an error is made, my guess would be that causey, cassay or cassie don't refer to cobbled areas but to setts, and therefore this whole etymology reference is in the wrong article, but this is just a guess, I think native English speakers or experts in this area would know.

In regard to Hmoulding talking about the German word "Kopfstein Pflaster" (=literally headstone pavement), isn't there a relation to the Dutch word "Kinderkopjes" (=litterally children's heads)? "Kinderkopjes" is another word for "kassei", being setts. 84.27.38.14 (talk) 09:08, 28 June 2018 (UTC)

History of cobblestons[edit]

Does anyone know more on the history of cobblestone streets? Such as which civilisation first used them, or when they were first introduced into Europe.

And also how 'common' they were, i.e. were they only used in cities at first, with dirt roads being in smaller country towns, or was it something distributed 'relatively' easily?

I am curious as to where all these caobblestones come from. Here in Europe there are gazzililons of uniform size and color little square stones used for paving streets, sidewalks and drives. I am curious about the manufacturing process or source of all these stones.

Cobbles and Setts[edit]

I understand that the difference between cobbles and setts is that cobbles form a deliberately rough surface (originally) to allow grip in bad weather for horses hooves. A hill or other slope is likely to be cobbled.

Setts are laid as smooth and level as possible, and would be used on level roads and pavements.

The pictures in the article appear to be of Setts, not Cobbles.

I intend to edit the main article to explain this difference and to start a separate article on Setts, but will await comments for a week or two. -- User:Peter Judge - 08:10, 16 August 2006

It certainly seems most people call these "setts" cobblestones, and I must admit this is the first I've heard of the term "setts". this site agrees with the distinction you're making. I just edited this gallery on commons, to try to make this distinction clearer (although I stopped short of removing all the pictures of setts altogether).
So by this reckoning, the photo currently at the bottom Image:Cobblestones 01.jpg, is actually showing setts.
-- Harry Wood (talk) 23:38, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

Greenfield Potatoes paragraph[edit]

The Arroyo Seco link points to a page that suggests that Greenfield Potatoes are stones found naturally in wine-growing soil -- not in cobbles. "The locals have coined the name "Greenfield Potatoes" for the larger potato shaped rocks that strewn the valley floor. In addition to moderating the temperature, the rocks provide excellent drainage." That is, can a cobble stone be a cobble stone if it isn't used in paving? I'm going to remove this paragraph until someone can claim it. --Mdwyer 15:35, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

Greenfield Potatoes is a local term for cobblestones in Arroyo Seco, California. They are 3-4 inch cobblestones that resemble potatoes in size and appearance and which absorb heat during the day and radiate their heat after sunset. They also promote excellent drainage.

set in sand rather than mortar[edit]

Two years ago, I watched workmen relay cobblestones in front of my mother-in-law's house in Switzerland. They set them in sand rather than binding the stones with mortar. The two pictures shown in the article are for non-mortared cobblestones. Many of the stone streets and walks I've seen in Europe are set in sand rather than mortar. Cobblestone remain quite common in Europe. Thus, my changes. Swlenz 20:52, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

Cleaning a Cobblestone Street[edit]

We live on a private drive and it happens to be a cobblestone street. How do you clean the oil and dirt off of the cobblestone? Do we use chemicals or sandblast? Sure could use some advice.

Method: 1. Elbow Grease 2. Use it

high pressure water jet should do fine; its outside, it can live having specks of dirt on it. And symantically speaking, doesn't 'street' infer public use, and not 'private'?

Retreat of the Glaciers from Finger Lakes[edit]

"In the Finger Lakes Region of New York State, the retreat of the glaciers during the last ice age left numerous small, rounded cobblestones available for building materials as settlers moved in."

It's probably my OCD, but does not the word "as" (as opposed to, say, "when") seems to suggest that the retreat of the glaciers was timed for the arrival of the settlers? :)

Calsada[edit]

Should this be merged with, Calsada? I'm not an expert, I just came across a statue and some images that I felt are beautiful. Proxima Centauri (talk) 08:05, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

I'm guessing Calsada uses flat stones rather than cobbles, so they're not really the same thing. Powers T 13:24, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

Picture of setts beneath cracked pavement.[edit]

In my fair city there are a number of roads that nicely illustrate the phenomenon described in this article of poorly maintained asphalt revealing setts and cobbles beneath it. Would anyone mind if I uploaded a picture of such a thing, or do I still need a New York Times article explicitly stating that such a picture is "notable"?76.19.26.248 (talk) 02:12, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

I went ahead and uploaded one. Hope it meets with everybody's approval. Wormwoodpoppies (talk) 21:43, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

Lomnice nad Popelkou picture shows setts[edit]

It looks like the Lomnice nad Popelkou picture shows setts, not cobblestones. The text even mentions "cubes". If someone agrees with me, please remove it.

Setts Vs. Cobblestones - Who Cares?[edit]

I think this article has been edited by some anarak who has nothing better to do than proclaim to everyone his knowledge of cobblestones. Honestly, a short paragraph at the start of this page explaining the difference would be fine. Take all the nonsense about "Setts" out of this article, it is really uncomfortable to read this, and extremely obvious that one person has ruined it by going on and on about setts. Wikipedia is a place for learning and sharin knowledge, but only when someone WANTS to learn. If someone visits a page about coblestones, they can see the difference at the start, and visit the Setts article if they decide that what they are talking about is not actually a "Cobblestone". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.5.164.102 (talk) 22:13, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

I fully support your analysis! For all intents and purposes in our modern times, "cobblestones" is the general word with "setts" being a type of cobblestone that is usually only distinguished in historical and technical settings (pun not intentional). Yes we should mention types of cobblestones and even say some people pedantically distinguish the terms, but we don't need to go on and on about it. — Hippietrail (talk) 05:35, 13 May 2012 (UTC)
They're different. I never understand people who go so far as to comment on a wikipedia page about how lame it is that the people who made the article care enough to make a distinction. Guess what, you're here too. 107.3.44.127 (talk) 02:15, 13 August 2012 (UTC)
They're different. As a result, photos of stetts go in Sett, not in Cobblestone. - SummerPhD (talk) 02:50, 13 August 2012 (UTC)
Super late, yes, but if there is a real determination to get this right: sett (or at least the link above) on wikipedia is a badger den, or the entrance to such.Lordloss210 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.175.97.87 (talk) 19:45, 10 June 2013 (UTC)
Me again, turns out there is a wiki page for it, it's the link above that is incorrect only and, being in a talk page, it is largely unimportant. Sorry ~~Lordloss210 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.175.97.87 (talk) 19:48, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

French Page exists[edit]

I don't know how to edit the left side "other languages" bit - just to mention that this page exists in French if you wanted to add that link

http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pavé — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.13.170.236 (talk) 00:28, 23 January 2014 (UTC)

Bricked streets[edit]

I've seen brick streets also called cobbled, so this article should cover that as well as covering setts. -- 70.50.151.11 (talk) 05:45, 27 February 2014 (UTC)

One cannot account for those who call a street paved with bricks a 'cobbled street'. The job of an encyclopaedia is to educate, not to dumb down. Fiddle Faddle 09:11, 27 February 2014 (UTC)
Where would you cover brick "cobbled" roads then? -- 70.50.151.11 (talk) 01:02, 1 March 2014 (UTC)

Merge in cobble (geology)[edit]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.
The result of this discussion was to not merge the two articles, as their scopes are different. Previously, the two articles did not cross-link each other and had overlap of some content, but this can be improved. +mt 21:36, 11 May 2016 (UTC)

There's another page cobble (geology) which should be merged in here as the two topics are closely related. Andrew D. (talk) 17:53, 6 April 2016 (UTC)

  • Oppose. Cobbles are do doubt named for cobblestones but the former is a scientific classification, aspects of which have little relevance to cobblestones which are a practical classification. BobAmnertiopsisChatMe! 18:18, 6 April 2016 (UTC)
  • Oppose Cobbles are geology, cobblestones are the product of the human built environment. They are usually different things (few cobblestones are made from natural cobbles, even when they're not squared setts) and the scope of the articles has almost no overlap. Andy Dingley (talk) 18:44, 6 April 2016 (UTC)
  • Oppose. They are different, like sand and sandpaper. However, the two articles don't even cross-link where they should, so I see why there is repetition of content. I think a good edit is all that is needed. +mt 22:42, 11 April 2016 (UTC)

The above discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.