Talk:Cognitive behavioral therapy

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Criticisms section edits[edit]

Section on meta analyses of CBT for schizophrenia states "Several meta-analyses have shown CBT to be effective in schizophrenia,[34][56]" - only the Wykes et al is a meta analysis - the other paper is not and should be removed or replaced


There are issues with this "is a "structured, short-term, present-oriented psychotherapy for depression, directed toward solving current problems and modifying dysfunctional (inaccurate and/or unhelpful) thinking and behavior."

  1. It is way too complicated. We are writing for a general audience thus it is not appropriate as the first sentence of the article
  2. It is no longer correct as CBT is used for many conditions

Thus restored " is a short-term psychotherapy used in a number of mental illnesses" Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 04:42, 28 February 2015 (UTC)

Reply - @Doc James:: Thank you for starting a conversation on here about this. I completely agree with your first point, actually. I didn't think about it being too complicated for a more lay audience. As a licensed clinical mental health counselor, it makes all the sense to me and that's why I didn't make the connection that an untrained audience may not quite "get it." Good work. As for point two, I emphatically disagree. As I type this, I am looking at two college text books and Judith Beck's CBT book (the horse's mouth on CBT), and they all say it is for depression. I am trained in continuing education seminars that it is for depression, but indicated for other mental illnesses as well. It was originally designed for depression because of Beck's experiences with free association sessions and his mother's depression. However, we use it for other conditions. Saying what it is used to treat is not the same as what it is. The other thing to remember is that the term "cognitive-behavior therapy" is mainly an umbrella term to include all cognitive-based psychotherapies including DBT, REBT, PPT (at one point), Cognitive Processing Therapy, Acceptance and Commitment Therapy, EMDR, etc. But, now that I've said that, I am more inclined to agree with you about mentioning a variety of mental illnesses. Hmmm... I am glad we're talking this out on here. I still personally feel it is important to explain that it is for depression and then differentiate that from how it is used for other conditions, especially because different cognitive-based therapies ameliorate different symptoms from different conditions. It's just good education that way, and because a general audience with no training in psychotherapy wouldn't otherwise know that. How would you feel about having the first sentence say, "CBT is a short-term psychotherapy originally and primarily designed to treat depression, but is now being used in a number of mental illnesses." ??? Urstadt (talk) 20:46, 1 March 2015 (UTC)
How about "CBT is a short-term psychotherapy originally designed to treat depression, which is now also used for a number of mental illnesses." Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 00:02, 1 March 2015 (UTC)
Reply - @Doc James:: Yeah, that will work. Are you going to make the changes, or do you want to me to? Also, I think I am going to make a brief mention of the depression roots of CBT in the history section. I have some other changes I want to make to my work in that section anyway. So, keep an eye and let me know if you have any thoughts about those changes, too. Thank you for talking with me on here. I appreciate your time in working with me. Urstadt (talk) 20:46, 1 March 2015 (UTC)
Done. And yes please update the history section. A picture for the lead would also be nice if you could upload one. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 21:17, 1 March 2015 (UTC)
Reply - @Doc James:: Image uploaded. Will get to history section (as mentioned I would above) soon. Thanks. Urstadt (talk) 23:28, 25 April 2015 (UTC)


Hello, this is my first edit on Wikipedia so I apologize in advance for any mistakes I make or even if the changes I suggest sounds ridiculous. I noticed that in the medical use for cognitive behavioral therapy that eating disorders appears over and over again. I wished to add something to the criticism section about that use of cognitive behavioral therapy and this therapy's problem with drop out rates. I will focus on use of cognitive-behavioral therapy to treat anorexia nervosa and how the success rates are not necessarily the highest. Here is my suggested change:


This high drop-out rate is particular evident in the treatment of anorexia nervosa, a eating disorder commonly treated by cognitive behavioral treatment. A considerable percent of patients either drop out of therapy and often revert back to their aneroxia behaviors before completing the therapy. [1]

Reply - @Streakz95:: Agreed. Do it. Urstadt (talk) 23:12, 25 April 2015 (UTC)


  1. ^ Nolen-Hoeksema, Susan (2014). Abnormal Psychology (6 ed.). McGraw-Hill Education. p. 357. ISBN 9781259060724.

I feel that it is important to show an example of drop out rates because this type of therapy is consistently suggested to treat this kind of disorder. I feel that people need to be aware that there are studies that show drop out rates are substantial high for certain disorders in relation to this therapy, with people experiencing anorexia nervosa being one of the highest drop out rates.Streakz95 (talk) 20:56, 19 April 2015 (UTC)

Reply - @Streakz95:: I agree again. Do it. Urstadt (talk) 23:12, 25 April 2015 (UTC)


We should paraphrase the definition not quote it and refs go after punctuation. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 15:20, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

Reply - @Doc James: My bad on the punctuation. Old habits of APA. Regarding the paraphrasing, we have now drifted too far away from what Beck says in the CBT handbook. We're no longer paraphrasing, we are changing the definition: it's gone from it being a psychotherapy to it now being a form of brief psychotherapy, so on and so forth. CBT is the quintessential brief psychotherapy. It was the first of its kind. It's not a form of, it is. The information on this page has drifted so far from how CBT is described and presented in therapy. Now, if the wiki moderators don't care about hurting the credibility of page, then fine. But, as it stands now, the information on this page is close, however, it's not accurate. Urstadt (talk) 03:51, 7 May 2015 (UTC)