Talk:Color guard (flag spinning)

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Proposed page title change[edit]

Summing up some stale discussion below about the distinction between military color guard and the marching band auxiliary (topic of this page), I'd like to propose a title change to better align this page with what I (as a naive observer) think is a more common (and accurate) term for this sport/activity: Flag Corps. In fact, this page is already the first to come up on a Google search "define flag corps." "Auxiliary (Marching Band)" could work too, but I think that's a more jargony title that would be more difficult to find. Any thoughts? Data8504 (talk) 07:36, 11 June 2017 (UTC)

Winterguard vs. Color Guard[edit]


I don't think winterguard needs seperate pages either. It is usually grouped with color guard and they use the same movements when choreographing routines. The shows do indeed turn out different in the end, but they are not different enough to be seperated.

Color guard is nothing like cheerleading in fact my group hates cheerleaders,just go to wildwood and youll see shirts on the boardwalk saying those who cant do colorguard join cheerleading! I mean seriously people stop comparing them. THERE SO DIFFERENT!! I think that WinterGuard is deserving of it's own page. I say this because although it is the same in many ways, there are important differences. Like: The director chooses the music and has creative liberties that may not be appropriate or impossible to do on a football feild.

Winter Guard is a separate activity with a separate governing body - WGI. It deserves its own article. Chris 19:26, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

It's like cheerleaders. There's a basketball and football season set, and just because you're on one doesn't mean you're on the other at my school. Likewise, most Guard people are in Concert Band, instead of Winter Guard. --Marudita

It's not like cheerleaders. Usually most good guard instructors will want their students to be involved in both because fall guard allows you to build up your technique. You can't be a good spinner without having good technique. Anyone can spin a flag, but not everyone can spin a flag correctly. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 13:42, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

It seems to me like outdoor color guard actually gets the short end of the stick in this article. Considering that most high school and college bands have color guards (not to mention drum & bugle corps), I'd venture to guess that the number of participants in the outdoor activity, whether competitive or not, far exceeds the membership in competitive winter guards. I think it can all be one article, but both ends of the spectrum need to be reflected. I also wonder if anyone could come up with something more about the evolution of guard from the purely military style through the 60s, 70s, and 80s into what we have today. Orpheus73 19:10, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

I think that winter guard is completely different from marching bands which are completely different from drum corps, not to mention parade guards, etc. Drum Corps has a "wikiproject" where people are trying to compile tons of information that is segregated into different sections.. that'd be cool for this topic.

Since this article is part of the Drum Corps project, shouldn't the type of color guard discussed be associated with the drum corps activity? Winter guard should be separate. —Preceding unsigned comment added by AEEdwards (talkcontribs) 01:38, 16 March 2008 (UTC) i agreeKittycat0143 (talk) 16:29, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

I think that color guard and winter guard are pretty much the same thing because they both help the band. ~darkstarlover14

Not at all the same thing[edit]

The military-style color guard is something completely different from this apparent flag twirling activity that somehow got called the same thing. I believe these two topics should be treated completely separately with their own articles and a disambiguation page. Cacetudo 14:54, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

That's not the point here, it's all about flag spinning. And it's not twirling, it's spinning, twirling is for batons. Ginifur (talk) 01:58, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

Article separation[edit]

This article was separated from the Color Guard article in accordance with the consensus reached on that article's talk pages. I've moved the appropriate talk page comments from there to here. Cacetudo 16:17, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

My belief, as a guard member, is that it may be better if we can change the name color guard to simply auxilary to avoid confusion. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 03:14, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

2 words[edit]

Is it colorguard, or color guard? Whichever, it should be consistent throughout the article (and title). -- Calion | Talk 20:59, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

"Color guard" and "Winter guard" are both 2 words. Chris 03:14, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

Both WGI and WGAZ (although I don't know about other state orginizations) have it as two words... Ginifur (talk) 02:00, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

Twirl vs Spin[edit]

Twirl is a colloquial and outdated term. This article is part of the drum corps project, and no major drum corps uses the term, "twirl." Chris 19:58, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

I've always heard just "flag corps", "color guard", or "auxilary", not even "spin". It's kind of implied that the people in the band with flags twirl/spin said flags, I guess. --Marudita
Spin is the appropriate term to use when reffering to Color Guard. Twirling is something you do with batons.
Definitely -- something better than "flag twirling" needs to be substituted in the main title of the article. Orpheus73 19:35, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
I agree. "twirling", not to be sexist, sounds too "girly". Spinning is a more serious word, better suitied for representing how hard color guard is and how much talent it takes.

Ginifur (talk) 02:04, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

I don't think that "flag spinning" is accurate for the title, either (but definitely better than twirling!). Perhaps "performing art" would better represent the actual activity while still clearly distinguishing it from the other, military-related color guard. AEEdwards (talk) 05:36, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

You SPIN the flag! You TWIRL a baton. Actual guards HATE it when people use the word twirl instead on spin just as much as we hate it when they call our flag pole a stick. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 01:22, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

I am in guard and we SPIN under no circumstances do we *TWIRL* We leave twirling to the majorettes. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 04:39, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

sabre vs saber[edit]

Color guard is primarily a US sport. The standard US spelling is saber - NOT sabre. I know it looks fancier with the British spelling, but consult your dictionary before you edit the page again, please. Anyway, that's quite a nit-picky reason to edit the article without adding any additional information. Give me a break. Chris 01:30, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Okay, so I'm being rude, but what's the name of that hockey team from Buffalo, NY? Clearly it's not just a US vs. UK thing. It probably ought to be standardized on the page, but you can't blame people for not always being consistent.
You're not being rude; you make a good point. But I'm going to trust the dictionary on this issue - not the NHL. Every few weeks someone comes in and changes half the instances on the page to 'sabre' while leaving the rest as 'saber'. If you insist on using the European spelling, at least be consistent. cdpanic 23:07, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
We use the Euro spelling of "sabre" for the sport of fencing as well....there are more important things to complain about.

WGI uses 'sabRE' on their merchandice... So do most guard supply companies. So shouldn't we be using sabre? Ginifur (talk) 02:02, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

In this section or another section theyre should be a technical section. Where they explain toaster and all the different flag positions and movements. -darkstarlover14 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Darkstarlover14 (talkcontribs) 18:10, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

I think here theryre should be more here about flag positions and explain about toaster. In this article there is nothing about the position like drop spin or windmills or x's. ~darkstarlover14


color guard is not flag spinning it takes a lot more than spinning a flag to master color guard it takes strength and ability

The photos already on the page are fine, but could anyone get ahold of a nice photo of a good competitive high school or DCI guard in action?

Maybe if someone talks to WGI or Jolesh or other photography companies, they would allow fair use of a picture if they get a link to their website on the citation.. it's free advertising, correct?

Jolesch???? Why not get a pic from someone who actually knows HOW to shoot the activity? Jolesch's pictures suck ass. Go to SHE knows now to take some awesome shots. Or look up cfrey on Drum Corps Planet....he's also very good.
Or take some yourself and upload them to Commons under an appropriate license. Fair use has quite a few potential legal complications; as a result, it is strongly discouraged here on the English Wikipedia and explicitly prohibited on some other language versions. - Jredmond (talk) 16:48, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
I'm working on getting pictures of Guard in action. I'll add them when I get the rest from practice and a few more from games. Once I do that I'll add more. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 01:25, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

Winterguard Section Reads Like a Poorly-Written How-To Manual[edit]

The heading above says it all. The Winterguard (or Winter Guard -- that's the least of the issues) section has many problems:

  • Too much detail. A step-by-step manual of how to perform each move is not appropriate for Wikipedia.
  • Style and grammar needs serious cleanup.

This is a direct quote: "Toaster is a world you hear when somebody is talking about flags. And if you come in a conversation and you’re like what are they talking about. Well toaster is when you doing a move, you keep it close to your body." If someone with knowledge of color guard would like to clean up this section to follow both Wikipedia guidelines and rules of standard written English, that would be great. Otherwise, I'll do it, though I am not an expert on color guard. --Crunch (talk) 03:25, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

What on earth is Color guard[edit]

As an English person trying to find out what this activity is, I am no better off after reading this article. All I know is that it started a long time ago and involves flags. Suddenly in the third sentence a marching band is introduced. What marching band? The article assumes that the reader already knows what the activity is. It needs an opening sentence / paragraph defining the activity. Rachel Pearce (talk) 21:17, 20 July 2013 (UTC)