Talk:Comfort women

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Other non-Asian women?[edit]

The only non-Asian women said to have been used as "comfort women" are Dutch and Australian. This has always puzzled me, since the Japanese also occupied the French and British colonies in South-East Asia (Vietnam, Malaya and so on). Since they evidently had no objection to non-Asian women as such, did they not also abuse French and British women for this purpose? I frankly can't find any evidence that they did, but it still strikes me as improbable. (talk) 11:29, 27 December 2017 (UTC)

  • The difference is probably that in the Dutch East Indies almost all Europeans were put in internment camps, with separate camps for men and women. -- Stuart LaJoie talk2me 00:21, 13 May 2018 (UTC)
  • Those who abused Dutch were against Japanese laws and punished. It was not done by the government, but by individuals. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wikiwiki210 (talkcontribs) 00:29, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

Constructive discussion on changing the first paragraph of summary[edit]

This section was divided from the previous for grown too long.

Wordmasterexpress, if you want to propose some text changes to the comfort women article, please do so. Otherwise it's impossible to judge whether the source is being used in a neutral manner. Binksternet (talk) 16:39, 8 March 2018 (UTC)
Thank you, Binksternet, for the constructive comment. Below is my proposal. Because I am aware that it is not the best, it would be most appreciated if you could give advice to improve without losing the link and conclusion for the investigation of Comfort woman program.
Comfort women were women and girls forced into sexual slavery by the Imperial Japanese Army in occupied territories before and during World War II, which was not supported by "IWG Final Report to the United States Congress, April 2007".

Wordmasterexpress (talk) 01:15, 9 March 2018 (UTC)

I'm not going to organize things for you, it's up to you to make concrete proposals that can be supported by broad scholarship. Justified criticism of your edits and conduct are not personal attacks. You're being disagreed with. Propose something that we can agree on rather than rehashing rejected arguments. Acroterion (talk) 17:16, 8 March 2018 (UTC)

Acroterion, let me cite a part of Principles of Wikipedia etiquette for you.

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Your criticism sounds like "you are bad because you do not agree with me, so you should get outta here". Please be gentle and constructive. Wordmasterexpress (talk) 01:15, 9 March 2018 (UTC)

Your suggested edit confirms that your only agenda on this page is abuse of source to support a point of view that attempts to revise historical fact. We're done here. You've been blocked for the time being for disruptive editing. by another administrator. Acroterion (talk) 12:42, 9 March 2018 (UTC)

Additional information regarding comfort woman in Indonesia[edit]

All information for the following edits are derived from this source: Pramoedya Ananta Toer. Perawan Remaja Dalam Cengkeram Militer: Catatan-catatan dari Pulau Buru. [Teenage Virgins in the Military Grasp: Stories from Buru Island]. Jakarta: Kepustakaan Popular Gramedia, 2001. Annotation: The source is written by Pramoedya Ananta Toer, one of Indonesia’s most well-known authors. The book is a historical investigation of Indonesian comfort woman based on interviews he and other inmates conducted while conducted on Buru Island from 1969-1979. As an historical source, it provides useful and accurate information regarding the recruitment and trafficking of comfort woman and traces the life stories of some Javanese comfort women who were left behind on Buru Island after the war. The author also compiles lists of girls who were abducted from Java to serve as comfort women.

Suggested Edit 1: Add citation for the book: “Pramoedya Ananta Toer. Perawan Remaja Dalam Cengkeram Militer: Catatan-catatan dari Pulau Buru. [Teenage Virgins in the Military Grasp: Stories from Buru Island]. Jakarta: Kepustakaan Popular Gramedia, 2001.” Under the “Bibliography” section, either under the “Books” or “Further Reading” subcategory.

Suggested Edit 2: In the last sentence of the introduction - add promises of further education as a recruitment method: “In many cases, women were also lured with promises of work in factories or restaurants or opportunities to further their education; once recruited, they were incarcerated in comfort stations both inside their nations and abroad.” Add to CItation: “Pramoedya, 2001.”

Suggested Edit 3: Add a paragraph in the section “Countries of Origin” discussing the recruitment of Javanese girls in the Netherlands East Indies after the paragraph the beginning “A newer estimates by Mr. J.F. van Wagtendonk...” (also, note: the typo in the beginning of that sentence, “A newer estimates,” should be fixed)

Besides Dutch women, many Javanese were also recruited from Indonesia as comfort women. Most were adolescent girls aged 14-19 who had completed some education and were decieved through promises of opportunities to continue their education in Tokyo or Singapore. Common destinations of comfort women from Java included Burma, Thailand, and Eastern Indonesia. Interviews conducted with former comfort women also suggest that some women came from the island of Flores. After the war, many Javanese comfort women who survived stayed in the locations where they had been trafficked to and became integrated into local populations. Citation: Pramoedya, 2001

Kevsaw (talk) 11:18, 19 April 2018 (UTC)

 Done. Thank you for your very thorough suggestion. After looking at reviews of the book I agree it is important, and should be a reference. With this change, I incorporated your suggestions. Cheers! Binksternet (talk) 01:56, 20 April 2018 (UTC)

Grammar fix[edit]

Suggested edit: This sentence in **Countries of origin**: Through a substantial minority... should be corrected: **Though** a substantial minority... — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 14:14, 15 May 2018 (UTC)

 Done, thanks for spotting this. Fut.Perf. 14:46, 15 May 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 31 July 2018[edit]

"I would like to add one historical resource, 'Diary of a Japanese Military Comfort Station Manager" (excerpt in English) with external link." 原口由夫 (talk) 06:17, 31 July 2018 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. There is already a link to the Wikipedia article on Diary of a Japanese Military Brothel Manager in the Comfort women#See_also section. Cannolis (talk) 08:14, 31 July 2018 (UTC)

Not Neutral; This article is mostly only based on South Korean activists viewpoint[edit]

They keep reverting my edits that are based on evidence including the American government findings without even not knowing about the issue deeply and without even pointing out which part is & how not neutral.
Apart from the 200-400 Dutch women incidents, South Korean activists use this event to proactively encourage the anti-Japanese sentiment around the world and to receive more compensations from Japan.
What's most not neutral is the "estimate number" of the South Korean AND Dutch victims of 200,000, which South Koreans ENGRAVED in the "Peace Statue" even though there is no evidence, which the American government also concluded that there was not.
It is overestimated being 30% of South Korean females at 20-25 years old; which defies math.
If it is 410,000 as stated by Chinese scholar, it is more than 60% of South Korean females at 20-25 years old.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Wikiwiki210 (talkcontribs) 00:20, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

Since clearly there is no consensus in favour of your (frankly repugnant) attempt to whitewash mass rape in WW2, you should propose specific cited edits on the talk page, rather than trying to shoehorn vast tracts into the article. Pinkbeast (talk) 03:50, 13 November 2018 (UTC)