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- 1 Comments
- 2 The differents coming of ages in countries
- 3 Need a new Islam section
- 4 Unitarian Universalism Coming of Age
- 5 Ragging
- 6 Coming of Age- Literary
- 7 Universities
- 8 UK legal meanings
- 9 Professional initiatory rituals
- 10 Prom night in American culture
- 11 Cultural Rituals?
- 12 Coming of age in Africa.
- 13 Islam: should material removed be restored?
- 14 Move discussion in progress
- 15 need a section for indigenous cultures all over the world
In Hispanic culture "La Quinceañera" (The fifteen-year-old one) is the joung girl who turns fifteen, not the celebration itself.Hobbit 16:49, 12 December 2005 (UTC)pooooooooooooooooooooooo
gembuku, genbuku, gembaku, and genbaku: I've never seen "fuku" pronounced "baku" (or "haku"); is there confusion with "atomic bomb"?
I've never heard the first two, but they're more plausible.
Move "gembuku" to here?
Somehow, I don't think that the description of the genpuku ceremony is very accurate... Idekii 06:32, 23 September 2005 (UTC)
If this page is going to talk about examples from a variety of cultures (which is an excellent idea), then it needs information from a wider variety of backgrounds (which I am not even remotely qualified to add). It's already showing great promise! Aranel 17:40, 5 Aug 2004 (UTC)
as practiced in the past by all societies - is it true that all socities in the past have had coming-of-age rituals? I find it hard to believe that modern civilization is truely unique in that aspect. Surely there must be some ancient cultures that had no formal rituals?
The differents coming of ages in countries
In some countries, when you come of age (become adult) you must reach a certain age e.g. UK - 18 and the USA 21 (I am unsure about this). I think if this is researched into a lot more, this would prove interesting to read.
The the United Kingdom as well as the United States, when you turn 18 you are legally considered an "adult," independant from your parents or guardians. This is somewhat different from technically "coming of age," as you are only considered an adult "in the eyes of the law." Many people have varying degrees of actual independance from their parents before or after turning 18. For instance, many people live with their parents or depend on their parents for money long after turning 18, while others are independant in every way but legally long before turning 18. In America, the only thing related to "coming of age" and turning 21 is that at the age of 21 you can legally by alcoholic beverges. Scheater5 00:12, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
Need a new Islam section
We need to have a new Islam section. I removed the existing one because it appears to be copyrighted. The url of the webpage that is the most likely origin (it appears on multiple sites) is in the edit summary. The text was added in this edit. Someone could also try to get the content released under the GFDL. -- Kjkolb 08:51, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
Someone directly copied and pasted copyrighted content again, this time from islamweb.net. I'm adding "unreferenced section" and "Close paraphrase" tags, but the section should really be rewritten entirely. 220.127.116.11 (talk) 18:47, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
- I decided to rewrite the section myself. I did the best I could, but I'm not by any means an Islam expert, so there may still be a few phrases carried over from the original (e.g. "obligatory acts" or "obligations") that can be rewritten. Anyone familiar with Islam should of course feel free to make further improvements to the section. 18.104.22.168 (talk) 21:47, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
Unitarian Universalism Coming of Age
I am suggested that Coming of Age (Unitarian Universalism) be merged into this article because it is only a stub and, because the coming of age rituals in an Unitarian Universalist community are but only one of the many of the verities that exists in the world. Also because its content fits with the overall objective of this article, and I feel it better to have one well written article then two which are lacking in fullness.--Devin Murphy 11:30, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
- No, I don't think that's a good idea. Coming of Age (Unitarian Universalism) is an organized program within the UUA and CUC, and specific enough that the article can probably be expanded significantly. Instead, there should be a section in this article that covers the topic briefly and links to the "Main article", using wikipedia:summary style. — coelacan talk — 22:52, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
- I also think that keeping the two articles separate would be better. The UU programme is notable enough for an article. --Alynna 02:24, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
User:22.214.171.124 added a sizable chunk of unsourced text:
- In India, the term for "breaking in" a first year student is "ragging". Ragging, in theory, is supposed to encourage interaction between seniors and the first years through a set of humiliating albeit memorable experiences. Depending on the university, the student undergoes many hilarious experiences like spending a night in a cadaver storage room or measuring the length of a football field with a coin. Yet, unsurprisingly, many seniors have brutally abused this "privilege" and have forced students into leaving college, experiencing severe trauma, and in some cases, suicide. Hence, "ragging" of any kind has been declared illegal in India and comes with rustication and 2-year jail term. Of course, a lot of students do indulge in ragging but the frequency and the severity of the "pranks" have greatly decreased. In turn, this has empowered first year students to make false claims about their seniors causing them a lot of trouble nearly instantaneously. All in all, the move to make ragging illegal has greatly helped thousands of students in India, but at the justifiable loss of camaraderie between juniors and their seniors.
Coming of Age- Literary
The Coming of Age story was mentioned very briefly but should be expanded to an article. In a coming of age story the internal struggle of becoming an adult is explored through a pivotal character, in contrast to a coming of age ritual or ceremony wherein an outside force either marks or somehow magically bestows maturity. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ktobacco (talk • contribs) 14:32, 30 April 2007 (UTC). hiiiii
In turn this led to bejants being given receipts in Latin. If a bejant failed to produce the receipt, he could be thrown into a fountain. - um I don't get this part at all. Are the two occurences different, since presumably you have a receipt once after being given it? Obscurans 03:59, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
UK legal meanings
"Twenty one does not mean anything legally" - it certainly did in my days:
- stand for parliament
- adopt a child
- drive certain kinds of vehicle (still the case according to this)
- age of consent for gay men (which I believe has changed since)
- no doubt a handful of other things....
And since when has 18 been the minimum age for marriage? When I went to school it was always 16; the only difference at 18 is that you no longer need parental consent. -- Smjg (talk) 16:35, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
"A boy will become a man so it does not really matter". What the hell is that supposed to mean? Does it make sense to anyone else? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 126.96.36.199 (talk) 19:49, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
Professional initiatory rituals
Prom night in American culture
Prom night obviously is the rite of passage of the current strongest country in the world, it is shown a lot in American movies, how come it is not introduce here? I have search the prom page, and they treated it like a new type of popular culture, not really a tradition, just because United States is very strong, its tradition is less like a tradition? why so? Because people think a popular culture which is traditional at the same time is like an oxymoron? 188.8.131.52 (talk) 06:44, 24 August 2011 (UTC)
I really don't think the section about cultural rituals in different countries is encyclopaedic for the most part. Talking about drinking beer from "yard glasses"? It's ludicrous to see ridiculous generalisations like that in an encyclopaedia. Bonzostar (talk) 15:58, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
Coming of age in Africa.
This section is grossly generalised and mostly inaccurate. Africa has too many countries and each country too many cultures for this section to be adequate. To make matters worse, the description here only applies to a very small minority of tribes currently and female genital mutilation which is now outlawed in practically every country was only present in a few select tribes to begin with. Where in the world did this writer get his/ her data on Africa?! Lornakrys (talk) 10:57, 8 October 2012 (UTC)
- The text was unsourced, and there was undue weight on female genital mutilation. So I removed it. Please, anyone who has good sources on "coming of age" in (parts of) Africa, write a new text! Lova Falk talk 11:15, 21 October 2012 (UTC)
Islam: should material removed be restored?
The following was recently removed from the Islam subsection:
- A boy may reach maturity from the age of 12 lunar years (eleven years and eight months) and will be considered mature at the age of 15 lunar years (14 years, 6 months and 22 days) if no signs of maturity are found. Signs of maturity for a boy: wet dream, ejaculation, impregnating a women. A girl may reach maturity from the age of 9 lunar years (approximately eight years and eight months) and will be considered mature at the age of 15 lunar years (14 years, 6 months and 22 days) if no signs of maturity are found. Signs of maturity for a girl: menstruation, wet dream or pregnancy.
Move discussion in progress
There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:Come of Age (album) which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you. —RMCD bot 21:32, 6 February 2017 (UTC)
need a section for indigenous cultures all over the world
the talks seem quite modern, i would suggest putting a section and subsection for the original nations in north america, for example and australia also — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.108.40.206 (talk) 23:38, 18 May 2017 (UTC)