Talk:Commodore 16

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"Raison d'être"???[edit]

What the heck does "raison d'etre" mean? Might want to change this header. --Anonymous

Thanks for mentioning it; I've now put in a lk to Wiktionary's definition of the term (which means "reason for existence"). --Wernher 23:05, 11 July 2005 (UTC)


Should really be given greater mention in the article. Or at least a picture would be nice. The C116 was actually the normal or original version of this computer, intended to combat the low-low-low-cost market at the time taken by ZX-81s and Spectrums. Some managerial muppet though it would never sell in America so they got the Japanese engineering department to make the C16 for the American market. They're the same exact computer just in different cases (presumably they figured the ubiquitous 'breadbin' witha proper keyboard would sell better than the sleeker new 264/+4 case with dead-flesh keys).

It's sad really, the whole TED series debacle is a cringe-inducing story. Seek100 00:03, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

Binary prefixes[edit]

Recently changes have been made to this article to use binary prefixes (KiB, MiB, kibibyte, mebibyte etc). The majority of reliable sources for this article do not use binary prefixes. If you have any thoughts/opinions then this specific topic is being discussed on the following talk page Manual of Style (dates and numbers) in the sections to do with "binary prefixes". Fnagaton 10:25, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

New photo coming soon[edit]

I hate seeing these blasted eBay photos representing some of the best computers ever made.

I uploaded some nice shots for the VIC-20. I will do the same for the C-16 soon.

cbmeeks —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cbmeeks (talkcontribs) 10:56, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

best computers ever made? they were cheap. cheaply designed, cheaply produced, and cheaply programmed for. don't confuse nostalgia with quality. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 15:12, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

Added better pictures[edit]

Much better pictures. I hate seeing eBay/iPix photos of these vintage computers. They deserve better.

~cbmeeks —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cbmeeks (talkcontribs) 13:22, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

I remember seeing this in the Xmas 83 or 84 Service Merchandise catalog, along with the Plus/4 and TI 99/2 —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 14:37, 10 December 2007 (UTC)


The fact that this is unreferenced, combined with assertions like (e.g.) the computer being sold by some chain from "1982" to 1992, when it wasn't even released until 1984, and (e.g.) the discontinuation of the line circa 1992-93 being caused by C= USA's demise (which was later, in 1994) makes me somewhat sceptical of the accuracy of the rest of it. Ubcule (talk) 18:37, 26 February 2011 (UTC)

Actually I had some mistakes about the article I wrote about Mexico. I just have only several flyers scans I found recently in my basement and scanned one of them to prove that Commodore actually as sold in Mexico. I did made some corrections to the article but it seems that I need cite a book or magazine, which I do not have. If you find that the material I have do not meet the criteria of Wikipedia, please remove it. It's very difficult to gather information since Aurrera Supermareket become part of Wallmart on 1993 and they removed all old history of the chain. Also my English is not perfect.

Other memory of Commodore in Mexico can be found on I want to know if I can still scan and post the flyers here or remove this info from the page. Which would be a shame, since no page talks about of Commodore in Mexico too. Lobocursor Comment added 04:43, 27 February 2011 (UTC).

I removed the direct references to the title "castillos de Arena" and "pancho villa", since I played them on the computers when I was kid but I cannot get a reference unless I try to gather from old newspapers the contest winners result. This will take time. Also I found that Wallmart brought Aurerra and change it to Bodega Aurrera on 1995. I did read proof the article for avoid more mistakes on dates. Any help in how to assemble the info I have will be appreciated. Lobocursor Comment added 05:11, 27 February 2011 (UTC).


I removed the bit about Aurrera and Grupo Sigma post-1993 (again), as those bits were not pertinent to the article subject, i.e. the Commodore 16 itself.

Regarding the article scans- there are two classes of material that Wikipedia can use.
The first is "free" material (licensed under GFDL or CC licenses by the copyright holder). Anyone can use this for anything if they obey the license.
The second type is "fair use" material. This is *not* freely-licensed (i.e. copyright holders have *not* granted permission). However, US law still allows the use of such material for certain purposes.
If the supermarket has not given permission, then your scans are probably "fair use". This means that you can upload the flyers to Wikipedia itself. However, you can not upload them to Wikimedia Commons (because Commons is for completely free images and material only).
Please read the links about the difference between "fair use" and "free" material if this is unclear. Thanks.
Hope this helps, Ubcule (talk) 15:36, 27 February 2011 (UTC)
Actually I regret to write on Wikipedia thanks Ubcule that made my life miserable. I did removed the ad as I have no permission to add it to this place in the start. Actually I didn't invent that Commodore made computers in Mexico, but I'm too tired to defend myself of people like user mentioned. If you don't like info I did posted, please just delete it or do whatever you like. I'll post the ads and local manuals in the proper commodore pages that have friendly users that really welcome the info. I had my share of Wikipedia Trolls and I had enough. Farewell. - Lobocursor
Commodore never was in Mexico, OKAY! Now let me get out HERE!!!! >:-( — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lobucursor (talkcontribs)

*Before* I reply- I had to move your comment (originally made here) so I could restore several older comments of yours which you removed. Removing comments- even if they're your own- is generally against the rules. We were having a discussion, and people need to be able to see what I was replying to. (I earlier thought you had removed *my* comment. That was my mistake- sorry). Ubcule (talk) 00:15, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

(Here is my reply)
You've some made some unpleasant (and baseless) accusations. I assume you were talking about the most recent set of edits to the article (even though they are already over 8 months old!). Perhaps you should stop and take a look at them:-
* Edit #1 - I moved the reference to make it clearer which part of the sentence it supported
* Edit #2 - The article subject is the Commodore 16. "Aurrera Supermarkets" are mentioned because they sold the C16- this is fair. However, their later history (long *after* they had stopped selling the C16) is *not* relevant to the C16 itself. Therefore I *only* removed that part. I had already explained this before.
* Edit #3 - I added a link. (I assume that this was okay!)
We had some polite disagreement earlier, as I felt you had added a *lot* of information without citations. However, I thought we had resolved this. Apart from the inclusion of too much irrelevant information about Aurrera (not related to them selling the C16) I was happy with your contribution.
Your image had been "fair use" but not "free". I moved it back to Wikipedia so that we could continue to use it.
You will see from my replies that I attempted to be polite and good-natured (even though we disagreed), but you are throwing accusations of "harrassment" and "troll" at me.
Ubcule (talk) 00:15, 28 October 2011 (UTC)