Talk:Community (TV series)
|Jeff Winger was nominated for deletion. The debate was closed on 10 December 2009 with a consensus to merge. Its contents were merged into Community (TV series). The original page is now a redirect to here. For the contribution history and old versions of the redirected article, please see its history; for its talk page, see here.|
|WikiProject Television||(Rated C-class, Mid-importance)|
|WikiProject Comedy||(Rated C-class, Mid-importance)|
- 1 Filming Location
- 2 links
- 3 Picked up
- 4 Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jeff Winger
- 5 Fancruft
- 6 Episode summaries/article merge
- 7 Annie's crush
- 8 School's Location
- 9 Premise and Cast and Characters edit being reverted
- 10 Jeff page
- 11 Fan campaigns
- 12 cast and characters
- 13 Cluebot
- 14 Showrunner?
- 15 Cancelled
- 16 Filming
- 17 "Six seasons and a movie"
- 18 Anyone able to see the original entry?
- 19 Harmon's "story circle" template
- looks like they do some of it at Los Angeles Pierce College, sure they might do some other scenes at other LA schools Sirevil (talk) 05:57, 28 October 2009 (UTC)
Why doesn't Alison Brie have a page? it said it had been deleted. According to IMDB she has a lengthy resume, including the hit show Mad Men. An editor needs to bring her page back. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.127.116.11 (talk • contribs) 02:01, September 18, 2009
I wanted to post here to explain why I reverted Tikopowii's edits. Adding that much fancrufty text on the main Community article would turn it into a fansite, which is both unneeded and unwarranted. If anything, that stuff should be moved into a List of Community characters article, but even that's unnecessary. All of that text is just rewritten from the Greendale promotional site, and it doesn't add to the article. — HelloAnnyong (say whaaat?!) 04:06, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
Episode summaries/article merge
Just drawing attention to a comment that I made at Talk:List of Community episodes#Episode summaries about consolidating the episode information/summaries and potentially merging the Community (TV series) and Community (season 1) articles. —sroc (talk) 13:54, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
Annie's crush on Troy was dissolved in season 1 and now she seems to like Jeff Winger instead. The summary should add this info or edit out that since it's not an essential storyline. It should just say something like: Community centers around the friends in the study group following their relationships and lives as they attend Greendale. 18.104.22.168 (talk) 08:31, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
Out of curiosity, when was it established that Greendale was in Colorado? The tropical warmth shown in the episodes set in October to January suggests elsewhere. 22.214.171.124 (talk) 03:33, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
- From the official in-universe site: "Welcome to Greendale Community College, located right in the heart of Greendale, Colorado." This source also says it. — HelloAnnyong (say whaaat?!) 19:40, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
Premise and Cast and Characters edit being reverted
I made (without logging in, apologies) some adjustments to the Premise and Chast and Characters sections, because there were some issues there. My changes have been reverted by user HelloAnnyong with this motivation: "great deal of speculation, OR and fancruft". The fact is, I was actually just trying to remove speculations, correct mistakes, and provide better quick, basic informations on the characters. For instance:
- the current version says that Chang has been accepted in the study group. This happened very recently (2x12, and just as a background event which hasn't been fully explored yet as of the last aired episode), and it doesn't seem useful to spoiler it in the general description
- the current version, for some reason, forgets to list Pierce among the characters in the Cast and Characters section
- the current version is a bad mix up of speculations/spoilers (e.g. Chang losing its status as a teacher, who only happened in Season 2) and old plot points that ceased to be relevant in the first few episodes (e.g. Annie having a crush on Troy: that's not a useful basic information on the character, it was just a plot device for a couple of episodes. Annie's crush on Jeff, who I didn't intend to mention here anyway, has been the subject of many more episodes, btw)
So I will revert to the modified version as soon as I don't read an aswer here telling a reason to not correct these mistakes by providing more complete, updated and reliable data. Kumagoro-42 17:06, 28 March 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kumagoro-42 (talk • contribs)
- I reverted it because I disagreed with a great deal of the text in there. "a borderline Asperger pop culture-obsessed film student"? Do you have any source for that aside from your own speculation? And adjectives like "snarky and self-centered" are generally inappropriate for Wikipedia. It was better the way it was before (or is now) - just listing their names and leaving it at that. — HelloAnnyong (say whaaat?!) 22:55, 28 March 2011 (UTC)
- Abed having Asperger has been established in the pilot actually. Jeff said it loud (after some previous clues about "a disorder I might want to look up"). Abed didn't deny it. Following episodes confirmed Abed having a mental condition of some sort (his father said it, the autobiographic film Abed shot shows him being treated with drugs as his parents saying he's not normal, he's often called "Rain Man" or seen performng "savant" feats, etc.). We never got an in-world confirmation about the Asperger specifically. That's why I wrote "borderline". It could also be "suspected to have", or something like that. The source would just be the episodes' numbers. But it's too major and too defining a trait for the character to ignore it altogether. Also, about "snarky and self-centered", I didn't realize there are inappropriate adjectives for Wikipedia. I don't feel "self-centered" is slang or something, and it's probably used in thousands of articles, but never mind. I could use actual short quotations from the pilot or the first few episodes describing the characters' basic traits instead, since it's something they constantly do. The fact is that the section still contains mistakes (Pierce missing, Ken Jeong defined as a recurring - he's billed as a regular from episode 2 on, even if he's not in every episode), and it both duplicates things from the premise section (which I think should just describe the general setting, not mentioning characters and actors since there's a specific section for that right below), devolves too much space to secondary characters like Duncan, and fails to provide a quick, adequate portrait for each regular character. And seriously, Annie having a crush on Troy is the definition of fancruft, and it's an irrelevant information in this section (moreso, defining a woman's character through the man she has a crush on is very sexist!). Please, just tell me what you want me to do, and I'll do, since I'm willing to improve this page as much as I can. Thanks. Kumagoro-42 15:35, 4 April 2011 (UTC)
On Dean Pelton: the character bio states that his sexual orientation is ambiguous, but I have strong issues with this characterization. Between Harmon's AMA and Biology 101 it wouldn't be correct to say his orientation is ambiguous; it isn't. This is bisexual/pansexual erasure. (Vice Dean: "And you never had to Dean. You could have lived the rest of your life in blissful ignorance and died a happy pan-sexual imp, but you wanted to feel power this year. Well now you’re going to feel my power as it surges downward from me straight through you from nostril to rectum now until the end of time. And that’s, wazzup.") Thoughts? -Exteric (talk) 18:48, 22 November 2012 (UTC)
- He's not openly gay (think Modern Family), and I think just mentioning the fact that his orientation is ambiguous accurately conveys how his sexual orientation is portrayed in the show. I don't think there's any more intent to censor the fact that he's bisexual more than there is to state Abed has Aspergers. Naapple (Talk) 03:20, 23 November 2012 (UTC)
- It now says 'Although he never explicitly admits to his sexual orientation', but the word 'admits' isn't correct: it is never mentioned explicitly by himself, but there is no need to, and it is not something to 'admit'. So I'll change that, hope that's alright. Laurier (talk) 07:22, 9 February 2016 (UTC)
I started to create a page for jeff. The show is in its third season and he should have a page. But it needs a lot of work, so I would appreciate help. you can find it by typing in Jeff Winger (Community).Caringtype1 (talk) 13:54, 10 October 2011 (UTC)
The lead is not the place to add campaigns by fans to have the series renewed. If you'd like this to be added, it would be acceptable to do so in the format that Chuck uses on its page. Please note, however, the language must be neutral and cannot contain speculative comments. Thanks. Kevinbrogers (talk) 08:28, 19 November 2011 (UTC)
- We should include all the relevant information available that contributes to the understanding of the situation. In my opinion, the fact that the series has been held back but has sparked these strong campaigns makes the show look even better. Either way, we shouldn't remove information even if it does destroy the show's reputation. Similar situations can be found at Chuck (TV series)#Campaign for series renewal, 2009 and Sexual misconduct allegations against Bill Clinton. Kevinbrogers (talk) 22:14, 3 January 2012 (UTC)
Yeah, you are right. i guess I was just mad about how dumb these fans are being. Since the hiatus was announced last may, there is no indication that it might be canceled, i just feel like its disrupting NBC. Either way, acted out of anger and was wrong. Its true(unfortunately), but should be included in some way. I apologize.Caringtype1 (talk) 22:58, 3 January 2012 (UTC)
cast and characters
Listing all the characters is really redundant since we have an entire page dedicated to that. It also doesn't help explain the set-up of the show, which is why I liked the paragraph form. Is there really a reason to realist all of the characters here? I suggest we go back to the paragraph.Caringtype1 (talk) 18:10, 12 August 2012 (UTC)
I am not an official user on Wikipedia, but I was trying to make a reasonable edit to improve the quality of the article and it was automatically undone by Cluebot. Is there any way I can get past this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 126.96.36.199 (talk) 16:21, 19 February 2013 (UTC)
- Cluebot is an incredibly advanced AI for what it does. But like anything with a brain, artificial or otherwise, it makes mistakes. If it happens again just revert the edit, and cluebot shouldn't bother you again. Also it tends to pick on people who make edits without an account more than those with one. So you should probably make an account.Toxic Ninja (talk) 02:59, 20 February 2013 (UTC)
The intro paragraph says the show is returning as a showrunner - but that article says a showrunner is a person, not a television program. I don't understand what it is trying to say. 188.8.131.52 (talk) 06:02, 3 November 2013 (UTC)
- The intro states, "with Harmon returning as showrunner after a season-long absence". Nowhere does it say "the show is returning as a showrunner". Drovethrughosts (talk) 13:47, 3 November 2013 (UTC)
- Yeah, NBC cancelled it, but a last minute renewal is keeping it in production. Funny how these things work. 184.108.40.206 (talk) 05:30, 8 September 2014 (UTC)
Removed the line which says "Perhaps because of the cinematic nature of the show, several directors of episodes on the show have gone on to direct major feature films including Justin Lin, Jay Chandrasekhar, Richard Ayoade, and the Russo brothers." as all of those people had already made feature films prior to directing episodes. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.127.116.11 (talk) 14:47, 23 June 2014 (UTC)
"Six seasons and a movie"
I'm deleting this section again.
There is no evidence that the line "six seasons and a movie" has had any serious impact on studio executives' decision-making process. It in no way explains the process by which Community was canceled and recommissioned. It is completely irrelevant. To suggest that the sixth season was, in current article's wording, "predestined", or even reference fans apparently believing this, is absurd. Popcornduff (talk) 16:23, 1 July 2014 (UTC)
- I'm deleting this section for a third time. I'd appreciate it if the person who keeps restoring it would use this Talk page, as they originally suggested.
- I have read the three citations provided for the section. To suggest that the line of dialogue "six seasons and a movie" is "self-fulfilling" is bizarre and confusing. It's not technically a prophecy of any sort; it is a line of dialogue read by a fictional character in a television sitcom, said about a fictional TV show. Yes, it's been adopted by the fan base to refer to community, but from our perspective the only encyclopedic information here would be something like: "the line 'six seasons and a movie' became the slogan of fans campaigning to have the series recommissioned".
- And you know that? I still don't think it's relevant. It certainly isn't significant enough to give it its own section, which gives it huge undue weight. The current wording is borderline superstitious, as if the mantra actually saved the show rather than the financial interests of entertainment companies. Popcornduff (talk) 16:37, 1 July 2014 (UTC)
- I reverted the season six section back to its original state, keeping some your copyedits and the removal of the "Six seasons and a movie" section as that is already covered there and does not warrant its own section. Doing so, it tracks the entire process of the renewal, instead of just saying it was canceled then renewed. The section can be trimmed back to basics (in the main article) when a season 6 article is created, because most of that expanded content can be relocated there, but for now it should remain, so it's not lost. Drovethrughosts (talk) 16:41, 1 July 2014 (UTC)
Anyone able to see the original entry?
I for one just see an empty entry...
Harmon's "story circle" template
The intro of this article mentions Harmon's "story circle" template without explaining what that is or what it means. Is it the same as the "story embryo" technique?