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Fertile: Forever Knight[edit]

The vampires of Forever Knight were sterile but could engage in intercourse with humans with out killing them. In the episode “The Human Factor” (season 3), it is implied that Jeanette became human again by having intercourse with her mortal lover. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 09:03, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

I've never heard of this show.

American Vampire Supernatural Powers/Reproduction?[edit]

Why are "Old World" and "American" bloodlines differentiated in the "Supernatural Powers" & "Reproduction" tables? They seem to be identical/redundant. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bbopdude (talkcontribs) 20:59, 7 August 2010 (UTC)

Most likely to ensure the article stays consistent with itself in how it catagorizes these things. Tnu1138 (talk) 01:22, 27 October 2011 (UTC)

This article is AWFUL. I'm trying to do some research on comparative mythology of vampires, by culture, and am literally seeing Count Chocula in the same list as this broad-stroke "European" generalization. Folklore really, really, really should be separated from blatantly fictional references. It's funny and obviously fake to some people but others actually believe this stuff still and shouldn't be lumped in with Blade. "Europe" doesn't hold a singular view of vampirism, by a long shot. We really could use a breakdown by country. -- TK — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 19:11, 29 June 2013 (UTC)

This article is primarily focused on pop culture vampires. However, if you want to improve the "European vampire" section, feel free. No one will stop you, as long as you keep it to the same format as the rest of the page. Tamtrible (talk) 17:17, 30 June 2013 (UTC)

Let The Right One In[edit]

The reason Eli can't reproduce is because "she" is a castrated boy. There's no indication that female vampires can't reproduce. (talk) 22:10, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

It's also guesswork, but Tommy wailing on Hakan seems to hint that decapitation doesn't do the trick, and Eli in the tub (and Virginia noticing the blankets over her head) seems to hint that drowning can't really happen. Eli's puzzle fascination seems to be a nod towards the Arithmomania.

In the next chart, simple skin-on-skin touch seems to have some degree of placating mind powers (like when Eli first picks up drunk Hakan).

And in the next one, given the "infection" nature of it, I could see consuming vampire blood probably passing it on. For better or for worse, Hakan never gets to really finish demonstrating the initial stages of "male fertility". Youngwilliam (talk) 10:18, 26 December 2010 (UTC)

Interview w/ a Vampire[edit]

Not seeing this movie anywhere on the charts

An astute observation. Doctorfluffy (robe and wizard hat) 06:57, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
Try the entries for Anne Rice. (talk) 23:59, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

Dresden Files vamps[edit]

Someone capable of not botching the tables (ie not me) should add the Dresden Files vampires. There's 3 sorts, white court, red court, and black court. There's a chunk on them off of the main Dresden Files page. (talk) 11:10, 6 December 2010 (UTC) I started, rather laboriously. First table's done. The main source I'm working from is, though I've also read the books--don't remember which is in what book, exactly. (talk) 20:39, 29 December 2010 (UTC)

Dungeons and Dragons[edit]

Similarly, immersing a vampire in running water robs it of one-third of its hit points each round until it is destroyed at the end of the third round of immersion. Driving a wooden stake through a vampire’s heart instantly slays the monster. However, it returns to life if the stake is removed, unless the body is destroyed. A popular tactic is to cut off the creature’s head and fill its mouth with holy wafers (or their equivalent). - 3.5 Monster Manual, page 253 Missing these weaknesses. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 06:35, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

Anne Rice's Vampires[edit]

It's stated on the table that their attractiveness is 'alluring.' Did the person who added that even read the books? Her Vampires are beautiful. It is even state that when the first Vampire was created the transformation had enhanced her beauty. This should be changed. (talk) 03:08, 26 March 2011 (UTC)

'Allure' means 'attractiveness'. Thus, 'alluring' means 'attractive' or, 'beautiful', if you will. Get a dictionary, or thesaurus...Ásmóðr Vánagandsson (talk) 03:20, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

Somebody made the mistake of saying their fangs are retractable. They are NOT retractable. The vampires just don't reveal them to mortals unless they're the vampires' victim. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 09:04, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

The Parasol Protectorate[edit]

For some reason I don't appear to have the option to edit, but someone else might put this in... I'm fairly certain it is implied in the series that vampirism is some kind of virus or other contagion, that can only resurrect those with an excess of soul. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 19:58, 5 April 2011 (UTC)

Salem's lot[edit]

Stephen King book, two seperate tv series should be added. Valenciano (talk) 17:46, 7 September 2011 (UTC)

Try the entries Stephen King. Skuag 12:40, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

Adding more header-lines?[edit]

These tables are a little hard to read, because there's a *long* list with a bunch of "yes", "no", "fatal", and similarly undescriptive entries, and since the headers are only at the top of the table, it's hard to track whether an entry is saying that a particular vamp is harmed by garlic or holy symbols or sunlight...

If there'd be a way to add a new "header" line (possibly shrunken or reduced) every, oh, 15-30 entries, it would be a lot easier to keep track of what the table is saying, because you wouldn't have to scroll up 3 to 6 full screens just to read what column is what. But I don't know if there's a way to do that.

Alternately, if there's a way to use frames or whatever to keep the header of the current table visible on the screen--I don't know how these things work, whatever works best. (talk) 23:01, 26 October 2011 (UTC)

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Does anyone know if there's a way to do this or anything like this? Tamtrible (talk) 19:26, 21 September 2012 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but adding extra headers to the table will mess up the sorting. Maybe there's another way the article can be structured that will allow it to be more navigable? (I'm sorry, I'm not very experienced in this topic). ~ Matthewrbowker Talk to me 00:25, 22 September 2012 (UTC)

Obviously, adding a bunch of extra headers manually will mess up the sorting. I'm wondering if there's a way to make the table add extra headers (that it ignores for sorting purposes) every 20 lines or whatever, or a way to make it use framing, or something. (and ya probably shouldn't change the tag to help-answered if your answer is pretty much "I donno"...) Tamtrible (talk) 07:29, 22 September 2012 (UTC)

Ok, took me a while to find this, but I think |-class="sortbottom" does what you're looking for. Basically it takes whatever row you use that on and puts it at the bottom when you sort. (see Help:Sorting#Excluding_rows_from_sorting). It's not perfect nor elegant, but I'm pretty sure it's the best MediaWiki can do. (And if you aren't satisfied with my answer, it's probably best that you post at Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical), I don't think most helpers can help you with tables.) LegoKontribsTalkM 08:21, 22 September 2012 (UTC)

I tried once and kinda failed, but could someone with more wiki-fu than I add in at least a bottom copy of the headers, so they're in 2 places? Floating or fixed headers are apparently... having issues, but there's a way to make a bottom row that doesn't sort (and maybe an extra row somewhere about in the middle, that will sort somewhere but there's only one of them, so it won't lead to a cluster), so it's a little easier to follow what a particular row is talking about... Tamtrible (talk) 21:29, 17 October 2013 (UTC)


I don't know how to do a redirect, but it would be nice if looking for "vamprie traits" led you directly to this page. (talk) 18:34, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

I've forgotten my login, so I think I can't create pages, but to redirect a page, apparently you create a page with #REDIRECT ((target)) (only, with square brackets), so could someone who has a login please create pages called "vampire traits" and "list of vampire traits" with a redirect to this page? (talk) 08:00, 18 December 2011 (UTC)

All done. For future reference, you can apparently ask the Nice People to make a redirect page for you... (talk) 12:22, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

2 suggested column changes[edit]

The "reproduction" table probably needs an "other" column, for cases where reproduction is more complex than, or occasionally doesn't even involve, normal birth, biting, blood transfusions, etc.

The "setting" table should probably have the "society" column divided into... not sure about the best headings, but one for "formal vampire organizations", and one for "general public knowledge", people seem to be using that column for both of those things. A possible way to distinguish the 2 would be "vampiric society" and "general society". (talk) 20:04, 15 November 2011 (UTC)

Getting the tables into order?[edit]

Someone with way too much time on their hands might try to organize the tables so that, within each table, they're initially in some kind of logical order, or at least in the *same* order. It'd make it easier to find the "world" you're looking for on each table if you can consistently know what's above and below it. (talk) 15:12, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

Some issues orf sources and formatting.[edit]

I notic3ed this just now and i'm not sure if I sahould do anything about this. First, under Dracula in the Powers and Abilities section itmentions he was able to impersonate Jonathon Harker through shapeshifting. I do n't recall this evewr happening in the book. If nobody objects to this I would like to remove that until someone can providethe area of the text in which this occures. The seco nd point is that Varney's weakness to Silver points out his suicide. This should be under his reaction to fire maybe but i'm skeptical about it. Tnu1138 (talk) 00:15, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

Addition of Tsukihime[edit]

The TYPE-MOON Japanese visual novel, Tsukihime has prominent vampire characters and it should be added under the sources. make sure to account for both types of vampires, The True Ancestors, and the Dead Apostles. information on these can be found on the TYPE-MOON Wiki found here :

The article needs at set of prose descriptions for the different column items. 05:19, 6 February 2012 (UTC)


I think a great table to add would be a comparison of the types/amounts/frequency of blood ingested by different vampires. Some subsist on a tiny sip every so often (St. Germain, for instance. Even Dracula doesn't seem to drink much), while others completely exsanguinate victims daily. Also, some vampires can/can't drink animal blood, some can't drink "dead" blood — Preceding unsigned comment added by Neologue (talkcontribs) 15:54, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

I wouldn't add a whole new table. Maybe change the "reproduction" table to "feeding and reproduction", since they do tend to be interrelated, and add the feeding column(s) there. (it's also one of the smaller tables). Suggested columns: "blood requirements", "other food" (there may be better ways to state those, so I won't add the columns yet. Blood requirements would have entries like "small quantity, human only", "frequent exsanguination", or whatever (there's got to be a more elegant way to phrase it, though), "other food" would be for mentioning whether they can/need to eat or drink things besides blood. Or maybe it should just be one column, labeled "diet". Not sure... (talk) 19:14, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

Reminder: settings, not characters/authors[edit]

Just a reminder for everyone. The first column is supposed to be for the setting. One set of entries (for Adventure Time) is listed mostly under the only named vampire character, and another set is listed under the series author. If you're not sure of the series name, list the first book, and possibly add "and sequels". — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 19:17, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

Lincoln Vampire Hunter Uses Silver[edit]

Multiple critics reviewing the film say SILVER is used to kill vampires, yet the chart says "No" for silver weakness for vampires in the film. That's a mistake. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 14:42, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

Glossary for the Tables[edit]

We could really use a glossary for each table that briefly explains what each of its terms is intended to mean within the scope of this article's purpose -- e.g. does "Non-Vampire Lovers" describe whether the setting's vampire society forbids forming relationships with non-vampires, or is it simply whether any of the setting's vampires has non-vampire lovers even if such a thing is not forbidden in-universe? MarqFJA87 (talk) 19:55, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

That's not actually a bad idea, though I'd put it on the talk page, rather than on the article itself. For example, I understood the "non-vampire lovers" thing to be referring to whether it's *possible* for the vampire to have a human lover without him or her dying, whether it's "allowed" by whatever vampire society exists, and/or whether it's ever happened in-series. A lot of columns are like that, they're kind of "So, anything important to say about the topic of (X)?". For example, I added the "diet" column so that, for each setting, people can indicate 1. whether the vamps can eat human food/drink human beverages, 2. whether they need human blood or animal blood, or something else, 3. about how much they need to drink a night/month/year, and possibly 4. whether they need to kill their victims or not. Tamtrible (talk) 21:00, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

Here are all the table headers. Anyone who thinks that any of them are at all ambiguous, please ask for or suggest specific definitions... put any definitions after a --, to make it clear where the entry stops and the definition starts

Appearance: -- how the vampires differ in appearance from ordinary humans Tamtrible (talk) 22:59, 28 January 2013 (UTC)

Setting --the book, TV series, movie, etc. a particular vampire comes from, *not* the name of the vampire, and preferably not the name of the author/creator.

Skin Colour --is their skin color different from an normal human's?

Fangs -- do they have fangs, or any other kind of abnormal or unnatural teeth

Reflection --do they have a normal reflection in a mirror, or is it distorted or absent?

Film --do vampires photograph normally, or do they either not show up or have distorted or altered images in films?

Shadow --do they cast a shadow in normal light

Attractiveness --do they differ substantially in attractiveness relative to normal humans? If so, are they beautiful, or ugly?

When Dead --Do they look like "normal" corpses, relative to what they looked like while "alive"? Do they leave human-looking corpses, even if they were not human-looking? Do they leave unnaturally aged or decaying corpses? Do they turn to dust, and if so does their clothing/what they're holding turn to dust with them? Can they be revived? Anything else unusual or unexpected about their appearance if/when killed? Tamtrible (talk) 05:56, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

Weaknesses: --What things can harm or kill the vampire

Stake --can they be killed by a stake to the heart, and if so does it have to be a particular kind? If they cannot be killed, does it have some other effect on them?

Sunlight --does sunlight have any effect on them beyond what it does for normal humans?



Fire --can they be harmed or killed by fire in ways that fire would not harm normal humans? Are they immune to fire? Is fire one of the few things that affects them the same as humans?


Garlic --do they find garlic toxic and/or repulsive

Holy symbols --are they harmed or repelled by crosses, or other symbols of faith

Running water --can they cross running water normally, and does it in any way harm them

Invitation --are they able to enter homes or other structures without being invited in? Does going in without a "proper" invitation harm or hamper them in some way?

Arithmomania --an obsession with counting, in particular the idea that if you spill a handful of seeds or the like on the floor in front of a vampire, they have to stop and count them all.

Other --this always means "anything not covered under the other headers", I'll eliminate it from the list hereafter

Supernatural powers:

Immortal -- generally means "unaging, and not readily killed by normal means", sometimes merely means "unaging"

Enhanced strength

Enhanced senses

Enhanced speed

Unnatural healing



Psychic Powers --usually refers to abilities such as telepathy (mind reading), clarivoyance (seeing at a distance), or precognition (knowing the future)

Telekinesis --are they capable of moving objects with their minds?

Pyrokinesis --are they capable of starting fires with their minds?

Reproduction and feeding: --how do they make new vampires, what do they need to eat (blood, emotions, etc), what else can they eat, et cetera

Fertile --capable of producing children (other vampires, unless specified) through normal sexual reproduction

Reproduce via bite --if someone bit by a vampire will become a vampire, without other interventions

Reproduce via transfusion --if consuming or being injected with vampire blood will make you a vampire

Reproduce via consumption of vampire blood after bite --if you can only become a vampire by both having a vampire bite you, and consuming or being injected with some of a vampire's blood

Inhabited by demons --is there a demon or similar supernatural entity that is in some way responsible for making an individual into a vampire?

Diet --this is for any or all of the following: 1. what kinds of blood or equivalents can the vampire feed on, 2. can the vampire eat normal human food, 3. how much blood of what sort does the vampire need to survive/retain powers, 4. does the vampire need anything besides blood to survive/retain powers

Effects on victims -- does being fed on have any particular short-term or long-term effects on the one being fed on, other than the normal effects of blood loss

Setting characteristics: --what are some of the characteristics of the setting this vampire comes from, such as other supernatural creatures that are present

Progenitor --the first vampire

Source -- what caused vampires to come into existence, and/or what property or characteristic turns someone into a vampire

Dracula -- Does Dracula exist in this mythos, and if so, in what form?

Supernatural Creatures -- What other supernatural creatures exist in this mythos? If the list is long, please group similar beings (eg: "Fae", "Weres", "demons"), possibly with mention of "several kinds of (x)"

Non-Vampire Lovers -- are vampires physically capable of having sexual relationships with non-vampires, without immediately killing or turning them? Is it permissible? Has it been seen "on-screen"? Anything else of note to say on the subject?

Rest in Coffins --do vampires need to rest in coffins, and/or typically do so? Tamtrible (talk) 07:50, 24 December 2012 (UTC) You don't need to mention normal sleeping arrangements, like sleeping in beds. But, it would be reasonable to list here any unusual sleeping requirements, such as having to sleep underground, or with a handful of dirt from their native land, or whatever.

Vampire Society or Organizations -- do vampires have any sort of organizational structure or community among their own kind, formal or informal

Known to Human Society -- do any/many/most non-vampires know that vampires exist? Are most vampires "out of the coffin"? Tamtrible (talk) 20:51, 20 February 2013 (UTC)

Terms and nicknames -- are there terms other than "vampire" that are frequently used to refer to all or most vampires, either properly or as a slang term/insult? Don't list names of individual vampires, and don't list vampire clans/subcategories unless there are only a few in the world (4 or less). Tamtrible (talk) 05:26, 10 August 2016 (UTC)

Tamtrible (talk) 23:56, 18 December 2012 (UTC) Tamtrible (talk) 10:01, 9 September 2013 (UTC) Tamtrible (talk) 23:04, 13 December 2013 (UTC)

Should we add the Shadowspawn[edit]

S.M. Stirling has a series with... they are not vampires. They explicitly say so. But they are vicious, blood-drinking near-immortals with magic powers (including mind control), and under certain circumstances they can be harmed or killed by daylight.

It seems like they're at least as much vampires as, say, the Wraith, and in most ways closer to the main thread of myth than, say, the Twilight sparklepires. So, should we add them to the list, or no? Tamtrible (talk) 23:53, 6 December 2012 (UTC)

For me vampires are supernatural creatures who subsist by feeding on life essence or blood; however, I believe that we should respect the believes of the creator of the series; so if he says that they aren't vampires, then they aren't. Skuag — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 17:19, 13 December 2012 (UTC)
Well, the *characters* say they're not vampires. I'm not sure the author's opinion on the subject. And the author's Wikipedia page describes them as "the origin of vampire and werewolf legends". Tamtrible (talk) 20:07, 17 December 2012 (UTC)
In The Council of Shadows, Arnaud Brézé says he had met Stoker, who was very useful to the Shadowspawn. If you have an ebook, look up "vampire" in A Taint in the Blood.--Jim in Georgia Contribs Talk 13:27, 14 October 2013 (UTC)
As for the characters saying they aren't vampires... Don't confuse utterances from the characters with the author's opinions. Tarl.Neustaedter (talk) 18:57, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

Effects of biting column[edit]

A lot of vampires have some kind of effect on their victims when they feed, either temporary or long-term. It seems like it might be good to make a column for this in reproduction and feeding, but I'm not sure how to title the column header... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tamtrible (talkcontribs) 23:57, 6 December 2012 (UTC)

Marvel: Other Montesi Formula[edit]

When Doctor Strange invoked the Montesi Formula it killed all vampires on Earth, not just those within earshot.

Which Blood Moon?[edit]

Someone added entries for "Blood Moon", but it'd be helpful to indicate *which* thing by that title you're referring to. Maybe make a stub wiki page for the work itself, if it doesn't already exist. Tamtrible (talk) 09:18, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

Table width[edit]

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Is there a way to make the "reproduction and feeding" table a little wider? As it is, some of the entries are absurdly long from squishing, and the table's not nearly as wide as a lot of the ones on this page, so it could probably stand to gain a few centimeters in width. Tamtrible (talk) 02:04, 17 October 2013 (UTC)

See if this helps: just add the width to the first line of code like this...
{| class="wikitable sortable" width="1500"
...and see if that works for you and for others. You can, of course, make it smaller if that is better. – Paine Ellsworth CLIMAX! 18:42, 17 October 2013 (UTC)
Thanks, worked nicely. Tamtrible (talk) 21:24, 17 October 2013 (UTC)

Spurious pseudocolumns[edit]

A few of the tables have spurious pseudocolumns. I'd appreciate it if someone with more time and attention to detail than I could figure out the problem entries and fix 'em. (there are probably some number of entries that have one too many columns in them) Tamtrible (talk) 22:39, 13 December 2013 (UTC)

New column?[edit]

In some universes, a vampire who is killed can be regenerated by various processes (for example, Discworld vamps can regenerate if you pour some blood on their ashes). Should we add a column for that, possibly in "supernatural powers", or is it a rare enough ability that it should just go under "other" or something?

It might also be worthwhile to note somewhere (maybe in the first table, it's one of the narrowest) what they look like if and when they die. Do they look like a normal human corpse, do they become a pile of ash, does their clothing turn to ash with them, et cetera...

Perhaps any regeneration should be noted in the "death" column, wherever we put it.

Thoughts?... Tamtrible (talk) 23:10, 13 December 2013 (UTC)

I suggest the death methods be with the weaknesses section. Staking usually results in a corpse (although True Blood makes it a bloody pulp, and other shows make this a dust), and fire/sunlight usually means burned or dust, but exceptions can be elaborated there like if they have to receive a combination of vampire weaknesses to truly die. As for reviving from dust by adding blood, that sounds like Supernatural Powers - Other. -AngusWOOF (talk) 05:26, 26 March 2014 (UTC) It looks like the Weaknesses table has entries to accommodate resurrections. -AngusWOOF (talk) 05:30, 26 March 2014 (UTC)
Except, in a lot of settings, there are things you can consistently say about how a dead vampire looks. Sometimes they turn to ash, regardless of the method of death. Sometimes they look like a normal corpse (particularly for "scientific" vampires, like in Blindsight). If it varies depending on how they died, then that can be noted, and the results for various death methods can be put under "weaknesses". I added the column before I saw this note (possibly before you *made* this note, I'm not sure). Tamtrible (talk) 09:04, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

Official place to add information if the table intimidates you[edit]

I suspect some people may want to add information to the table, but are intimidated by the length and complexity. So, I figure it'd be good to have a place on the talk page explicitly for "I know this about vampires from this universe, but the table scares me, can someone else put it up for me?" If you want other people to add something for you, please state what setting it is, and what the information is, clearly (eg "In Anne Rice's Vampire Chronicles, vampires do/don't appear on film") Tamtrible (talk) 04:41, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

adjusting weakness columns[edit]

Does it make sense to combine Drowning and Running Water to Water? Then this can include vulnerability to holy water. -AngusWOOF (talk) 15:54, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

I think holy water belongs under "holy symbols". It's the holy-ness, not the water-ness, that makes it relevant.
At first glance, I was thinking combining drowning and running water vulnerabilities might make sense, but... they really are different properties. Drowning is "can you kill them by cutting off their air supply with water", which could possibly be extended to other forms of asphyxiation, and the "running water" thing is more... a magical barrier effect from running water, which usually does not actually *kill* them, just stops them. Tamtrible (talk) 18:58, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

Universal's Dracula, Hammer's Dracula and Dracula 2000[edit]

I'm surprised no one's added Universal's Dracula, Hammer's Dracula and Dracula 2000 to the list. These three have different vampire characteristics than Bram Stoker's Dracula.

For example Universal's Dracula is repelled by wolfsbane, not garlic and was unable to turn into mist. Hammer's Dracula could be killed by sunlight and resurrected by pouring blood on his ashes, while Stoker's Dracula was immune to sunlight. The vampires in Dracula 2000 were so virulent that anyone bitten or lightly scratched with a vampire tooth would turn into a vampire, even if they had their face ripped off in the vampire attack. However, the infection could be cured by standing in the sun to burn away all infected cells. These vampires not only had no reflections, they did not even show up on film. (talk) 05:19, 20 April 2014 (UTC)

Feel free to add 'em. If you're intimidated by the table, then write out all the table entries as a list, and someone will add 'em for ya. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tamtrible (talkcontribs) 06:50, 22 April 2014 (UTC)
It's been a long time since I've seen those movies. The details I wrote above are all I can remember right now. (talk) 11:01, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

Should Ilona Andrews' vampires be included[edit]

Her Kate Daniels novels have vampires. But, the vampires are nonsapient, and can be piloted by necromancers. I'd like a second opinion on whether or not they should be added to this table.

If I do add them, is there a way to link to the part of her page talking about that series?... Tamtrible (talk) 09:10, 16 February 2015 (UTC)

You should include them. The fact that they are or not sentient doesn't matter. Skuag (talk) 09:10, 03 September 2015 (UTC)

Suggested stylistic change for the last column[edit]

It seems like, at least if there are more than, say, 5 different things besides vampires to list in the last table, they should be listed *without* the bullet points, but simply as a list with commas, to save space, the table's long enough as it is. Anyone agree or disagree? Tamtrible (talk) 05:57, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

General mental character of vampires?[edit]

I'm wondering if we should put a column somewhere for... some vampires are inherently bloodthirsty monsters, and some are entirely capable of controlling themselves. Some are mindless, and some are more intelligent than humans. Some are all basically alike, and some vary wildly. Should we put a column for that somewhere? If so, what should we call it, and where should we put it? My... initial impulse is to put it with "appearance", and call it something like "mind" or "mental character" or "personality". Thoughts? (examples of probable entries: for Buffy, "Violent and evil, unless re-ensouled"; for Sesame Street, "Friendly"; for the Kate Daniels novels, "Mindless, violent, and bloodthirsty") Tamtrible (talk) 21:43, 3 September 2015 (UTC)

This sounds like too much original research. Vampires can be heroes, villains, anti-villains, protagonists, antagonists, anti-heroes, switch sides. Some can control themselves; others lose control; some even do both. Most vampires have some sort of personality. All of which can be described at their own list of characters. And there are shows with multiple vampires; would we need sentences on each of them? Folks visiting this table want to see which of the general vampire rules the authors have ascribed to. AngusWOOF (barksniff) 01:36, 21 September 2015 (UTC)
The original research thing is a legitimate question, but... in some settings, vampires are inherently/broadly one way or another. In a world with multiple vampires, if you can't reasonably characterize them all with a single sentence, you'd say "varied". But, for many settings, vampires are all blood-thirsty monsters, or some other broad characteristic like that. There is some consistent difference between vampires and humans. Tamtrible (talk) 05:51, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

"some" flagging[edit]

We should probably try to standardize how we use the "some" tag rather than the "yes" tag.

I'd say... if nearly all vampires(let's say, over 80%) have a trait, just call it "yes", at least for color-coding purposes. If only a very, very few rare exceptions have a trait (ie 1 or 2 individuals, or one small bloodline or type if vampires are very common in the setting), call it a "no". Use "some" if somewhere between 3 and 80% of vampires in a setting have a particular trait.

If a trait is normally present, but can be *intentionally lost* (eg by using a magical object, or drinking fae blood), count it as a yes. If it can be gained *only* by a very particular object or whatever, it's a no. If it can be gained fairly readily, it's a "some". Examples: in Buffy, there is a ring that makes vampires immune to sunlight, but they are otherwise harmed, so there's a "yes" on weakness to sunlight. If there was a curse that made otherwise-immune vampires affected by holy water, that would be a "no". If any vampire that fed on animal blood had a particular trait, that would be a "some".

Does that sound good to everyone else? Tamtrible (talk) 07:22, 26 April 2016 (UTC)

Hmm, sounds ok. Is there a template for it? Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 09:53, 26 April 2016 (UTC)
same as the "yes" and "no" color-coding, except you use "some". Though I'm wondering if we should switch to "maybe", which iirc is a yellow color, rather than the sort of pale cream of "some". Easier to see. Tamtrible (talk) 20:43, 26 April 2016 (UTC)
If you check out Types of mythological or fantastic beings in contemporary fiction‎, you can see what the "maybe" color flag looks like, next to the "yes" and "no" flags. Tamtrible (talk) 21:41, 26 April 2016 (UTC)
I agree with going with the typical vampire traits for the series and footnoting when a rule can be overridden as with elite vampires, magic items and spells. "Some" should be reserved for cases where it needs to have a more detailed one than the above. There's also the issue of what ""Gifted" means. I'm assuming it also means Some? AngusWOOF (barksniff) 23:56, 26 April 2016 (UTC)
Ok "some" with cream background...actually I don't really care what colour it is...looks ok to me. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 02:40, 27 April 2016 (UTC)

Yeah, "gifted" would count as "some". I did the "some" flag on all of the "gifted" entries, I think. And we don't have to change the *text* on any of these, this is just a matter of what color-coding to give everything. I figure the "yes" flag should mean "pretty much every vampire in this setting is like this", the "no" flag should mean "pretty much no vampires in this setting are like this", and the "some" flag should be, well, everything in between. Tamtrible (talk) 07:09, 29 April 2016 (UTC)

Where would be a good place for a column on names/nicknames?[edit]

For example, in the World of Darkness games, the "proper" term for vampires is "Kindred", and the most common insulting term is "leech". In some of the quasi-scientific settings, like Sanctuary, vampires are Homo vampiris. And in a few settings (like Stargate, and the Shadowspawn series), the "vampires" are not actually called vampires in the works themselves (Wraiths, and Shadowspawn, respectively).

So, it seems like it might be a good and useful thing to put somewhere. I'm just not sure *where*. Any thoughts? Tamtrible (talk) 07:07, 9 August 2016 (UTC)

Damn...just looked..that is a hard column to shoehorn in somewhere. Unless we have a miscellaneous "notes" column...Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 10:10, 9 August 2016 (UTC)
It could potentially go into the "setting" table, I guess. Tamtrible (talk) 19:22, 9 August 2016 (UTC)
Aah yes. I completely overlooked that. Agree that is a good place. Maybe a broad header like "Alternate names" (which can encompass both nicknames and "proper" names. With a footnote explaing to that effect) Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 01:45, 10 August 2016 (UTC)

I think I'll go with "terms and nicknames". — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tamtrible (talkcontribs) 05:10, 10 August 2016 (UTC)

Weird templating error[edit]

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I tried to fix a templating problem in the Stephen King entry on the Weakness table, and it went weird. Help? Tamtrible (talk) 08:00, 26 January 2017 (UTC)

YesY Fixed. You had one | too many at the beginning (cf. the other multi-row entries). Regards SoWhy 11:52, 26 January 2017 (UTC)
Hm. Weird. Didn't see any extra |. Thanks. Tamtrible (talk) 17:34, 26 January 2017 (UTC)

Sparklepire eye info[edit]

Maybe it could go under the "attractiveness" column? And perhaps be condensed a bit. That seems to kind of function as the "other" or "general appearance" column when there's something else that needs to be said about appearance. Maybe we should even re-head it something like "Attractiveness/general appearance" ... Tamtrible (talk) 21:33, 25 March 2017 (UTC)