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Article Cleanup[edit]

I am planning on fixing grammar and style issues and cleaning up the article in general. If you disagree with with any of the content removal, please let me know. Thanks.

Merge proposal[edit]

I propose that Cyber security and countermeasure be merged into Computer security. I think that the content in the Cyber security article can easily be explained in the context of Computer security. Since so many computers are connected to the Internet, I don't think we can easily distinguish from an Internet-based attack that targets information on a computer from someone attacking the computer locally, to access that same information. I came to this conclusion when reading the Computer security article and seeing that someone had already referenced cybersecurity as another name for computer security.Timtempleton (talk) 19:12, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

Both of these articles are awash in headings of various levels so I can see how they could be merged. Most desperate here is a need to go through and figure out how to make a usable WP:SUMMARY article on computer and network security. If merging is the first step towards that, so be it. ~KvnG 12:38, 27 March 2014 (UTC)
I also agree that merging these two articles is the way to go. Maybe we could briefly discuss the actual merging plan first, regarding the new layout and what goes where etc.? — Dsimic (talk | contribs) 00:42, 30 March 2014 (UTC)
I've been reading Wikipedia to try to get my arms around the multiple articles with redundant copy in the area of computing security. It's worse than I thought. But before getting into that, I've also had a chance to think about this a bit more after making the merge proposal. One argument against my own proposed merge is that cyber security includes the issue of Internet-enabled smart phone vulnerabilities, while the name computer security only works in this context if you make the assumption that a smart phone is technically also a computer. That has to be addressed by the verbiage. But going back to the bigger issue, it's a challenge that there are articles about mobile security, computer security, network security, cyber security, cyber security and countermeasure, cloud security, vulnerability (computing) and a host of other areas that aren't cohesively or thematically linked. I'm cataloging the relevant articles in a spreadsheet, and the more I find, the more I agree that we need to take a shot at coming up with a grand unifying theme to make it all work. My thought process, which I'd love feedback on, is to split this into granular subjects and then find ways to link and coalesce them into greater categories. One option is to have articles based on the different computer network components (access devices, transmission devices, data storage devices, etc.), and then break down the access devices further into the different types (mobile, desktop, tablet, etc.), and discuss the vulnerabilities for each as part of their articles. Another dimension is thinking of what feature actually causes the vulnerability. It could be a flaw in the operating system, social engineering, or something else. Items that are significant enough would have their own article, but then we'd work in the unifying direction - small to large. Part of this solution could include updating the computer security template, so article readers can see how things all fit together at a glance. So step 1 - catalog all the security articles that are all over the place, step 2 - find the lowest common denominator themes and, step 3, build from small to large. Thoughts?Timtempleton (talk) 00:14, 31 March 2014 (UTC)
Sounds great to me! There are currently numerous articles, but on the other side the whole matter is simply too large to fit into a single article. Your plan sounds awesome, so we'll be able to get a big picture of the current articles; then we go and extract what they all have in common into an "umbrella" Computer security article, while "offloading" specific stuff to separate articles and providing pointers in form of summaries with {{main}} links. Just as you noted above, mobile and wireless devices security is a whole world of its own, for example; web applications are another world, and so on. Thoughts? — Dsimic (talk | contribs) 01:58, 31 March 2014 (UTC)
It's a plan. I have to head to Vegas this week for Interop, and then taxes come up, but at some point I'll be able to make a good starting article list and see what we can do to get this going. I may use my sandbox for a staging area for the different articles that I can find.Timtempleton (talk) 07:02, 31 March 2014 (UTC)
Just take your time, there's no hurry. Have some fun in Vegas! :) — Dsimic (talk | contribs) 07:10, 31 March 2014 (UTC)
I'll be interested to see what you come up with. I have added a hyperlink to your list above and deleted cyber security because it is a redirect to this article.
It is my experience that incremental improvements to existing articles are the best way to work on the encyclopedia. Incremental improvements certainly don't have to be mild. Having a big picture or roadmap sounds like a good idea and I have been down that road myself. What I've found is that you can spend a lot of time on a plan and then quickly find that the plan doesn't work or another editor pokes a pin in it once you go to implement it.
So I advise that you put your time into doing the proposed merge. Once that is done, the next step will likely be clear. ~KvnG 05:59, 5 April 2014 (UTC)
Good point. Too detailed plans usually remain just that – plans. Though, a rough sketch can't hurt, and that's what I had in mind. Hope you agree. — Dsimic (talk | contribs) 06:43, 5 April 2014 (UTC)
No, it can't hurt. ~KvnG 15:35, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

While working on the previously discussed merge, I thought as an interim step it would be useful to update and insert the Computer security template. I wanted to show everyone the different computer security articles that exist, which may not be synched or otherwise organized into a cohesive framework. This illustrates the issue the merge is intended to solve, and also gives us a visual roadmap with which to think conceptually about what's duplicated and what's missing, from every article.Timtempleton (talk) 23:27, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

That's an excellent place to start. Nice work. I'll put this template on my watchlist. ~KvnG 13:11, 4 May 2014 (UTC)

I respectfully disagree. I think we are making a great mistake by merging these terms; they should not be merged. Cybersecurity, countermeasures, and computer security are three different things. While they overlap, they are still distinct and independent from one another. Computer security is simply part of cybersecurity. While computer security focuses on the computers only, cybersecurity encompasses the enterprise, the individuals, data, infrastructure, and the way data is being processed in transit and at rest. And there are a lot of security measures we put in place to ensure cybersecurity and computer security. We need to separate the three terms please. Sam M. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cybersecurity101 (talkcontribs) 17:49, 6 October 2014 (UTC)

Merge complete[edit]

Merge complete. Everything in the article pertains to computer security. If cybersecurity can be differentiated sufficiently from computer security, then a new article on it is called for. I think one should start by explaining how cybersecurity is different than computer security. As far as I can tell, they are synonyms. The Transhumanist 03:50, 3 December 2014 (UTC)

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The title name needs to be changed[edit]

Hello everyone, Computer security is a small segment of cybersecurity. The title needs to be changed from Computer security to Cybersecurity. I teach cybersecurity and it encompasses computer security, infrastructure security, and many more. Once you change the title, I will post a good definition. Thank you, Dr. Musa — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cybersecurity101 (talkcontribs) 18:25, 23 October 2015 (UTC)