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So wait. What kind are these?
We really need something to replace that MS Paint drawing. — Omegatron 00:55, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
- I'm not sure how other nations use the term, but in the US Army, all three of those images would be called razor wire. Concertina wire is has very small barbs. They look like rectangles with very slight protrusions on the edges. EvilCouch 16:11, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
This is a really horrible picture of a good example of concertina wire. EvilCouch 16:24, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
- If you look at manufacturers' websites, the names are used somewhat interchangeably.   They are all variations on the same design. — Omegatron 19:28, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
- So they do. If the manufacturers can't provide consistency in naming, then I'm fighting a losing battle here. I no longer oppose the merge. EvilCouch 00:41, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
So if constantine wire is different from concertina wire, then why does it re-direct here? could someone maybe create a new page for it? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 184.108.40.206 (talk) 18:43, 26 February 2007 (UTC).
Name: Concertina vs Constantine
This article talks a lot about the name "constantine" but not about the name "concertina", so why was a type of barbed wire named after a musical instrument? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Trcunning (talk • contribs) 11:53, 16 May 2007 (UTC).
Someone took the time to insert a box with the standard Wiki-babble, "This article does not cite any references or sources. Please help improve this article by adding citations to reliable sources. Unverifiable material may be challenged and removed. (September 2008)." Yet more evidence that encyclopedia building is best left to the educated, experienced professionals over at Britannica. If there are no references or sources then this is just as valid (and credible) as a graffito on the back of the stall door in a public toilet.
The last paragraph here describing constantine wire seems to be largely original research. I was not able to find any reliable secondary sources referring to constantine wire, although there is some mention from a few smaller websites. None that I could find however explain the misinterpretation and supposed differences between the two types of wire as this article's writer did. I do not doubt this deviating name is in at least some vernacular, but it is probably not worth mentioning for a whole paragraph, especially without a good source.
I am suggesting one of those "Concertina wire (also known as constantine wire)..." opening sentence additions, but am torn because of source issue. How good of a source(s) should we require for this kind of mention? As I said, a few small sites from google say it. Teimu.tm (talk) 14:39, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
- I have searched through Google books. I found 25 references to constantine wire in the sense of concertina wire, all of them are in books published after the year 2000 except this one which dates from 1982. It seems reasonable to supose that constatine wire is of recent coinage and I dare say it results from a confusion. Perhaps it has been used as a trade name. Perhaps, as the google references are mostly about conflicts in Iraq and Afganistan it might be some sort of perjorative pro-Christian or anti-Muslim sense. However, it does seem to be sufficiently widespread to justify an "also known as..."
- Just to add to the confusion, Constantan wire - wire with a constant resistance over a wide temperature range - also seems to be sometimes known as constantine wire. That may be a similar mistake or trade name?