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Is there a word (an ism of some sort) that expresses the role that the arrangement of words on a page plays in the meaning of the written sentence or phrase? I am sure one exists, but I cannot remember what it is. It might be releveant to mention it here, if anyone can tell me what the hell it is. Really I am just hoping you can sate my own curiosity!

Indy4ever (talk) 20:48, 4 May 2008 (UTC) and any shapes

Do you mean syntax? Dom Kaos (talk) 14:15, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

Geographic Bias[edit]

This article seems to over-emphasize Brazil's role in the development of the concrete poetry movement. As I understand it, European statements and manifestos on the topic predated those of the Brazilian Noigandres by a couple of years. If I have occasion to do some more thorough research, I'll try to fill in a bit of the history. But I welcome anyone to beat me to the punch.

--Edward P Carney Jr (talk) 20:43, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

Bob Grumman[edit]

The Internet expert on Visual Poetry is Bob Grumman (blog here:

This is out-of-date. My present blog is at Grxmmxn (talk) 20:37, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

He ought to be aware of this page and woefully underdeveloped it is.

I am no expert so will not contribute. But, kudos to the work so far. -- 02:20, 19 June 2006 (UTC)The Prowler

Thanks for bringing my name up, Prowler. I only saw this page for the first time today. Am surprised it hasn't gotten going. That may be due to another article of visual poetry, which is what concrete poetry became. Frankly, I've not become involved with Wikipedia because I feel it became just another outlet for peer-reviewed mush--which can be excellent mush when concerned with topics academics are writing papers about (dead authors, say)--but are poor concerning the new, or even something like concrete poetry, which is over fifty-years-old, by now. Anyway, I'm not an academic, so sloppy, rarely bother with citations (I'm not superior to them, just don't have time for them), and highly idiosyncratic. But let me see what the article on visual poetry is like. If I think this entry could add appreciably to the Wikipedia's coverage of what I am now calling "plurexpressive poetry," by which I mean poetry that employs more than one expressive modality such as visual poetry, which is visually as well as verbally expressive, and I have time, maybe I can do something here that will draw others to the entry who can improve it.Bxb Grxmmxn (talk) 20:37, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

Capitalization of E. E. Cummings[edit]

The lowercase "e. e. cummings" was primarily an invention of editors--as the Wikipedia article on him notes. Myc2001 22:22, 28 November 2006 (UTC)


Have deleted 'We are learning poetry in English class!!!!' from very beginning of article. JAL Williams

What about Futurism?[edit]

Have to include a brief mention of the Futurists. Can't talk about concrete poetry without them.

Merging article[edit]

Concrete Poetry has a venerable tradition in artistic terms and was an influential part of several key 20th century artistic tendencies (eg Fluxus, Conceptualism.) Additionally, Stephane Mallarme, the so-called 'father' of Concrete Poetry, has been an influence on artists such as Picasso, John Cage, George Brecht, La Monte Young, Marcel Broodthaers, Robert Morris, Vito Acconci, etc etc. I suggest the article is not merged, it merits its own entry, with clear links to other related categories. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Zeneka (talkcontribs) 23:07, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

wats up my peeps —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 15:19, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

Concrete poetry from the middle east.[edit]

I am not expert enough on this subject to add to the article, but there should be a section on Islamic shaped calligraphy, which accounts for a large proportion of the world's concrete poetry. Rev. H. Carlton Earwiggherd (talk) 15:59, 24 December 2011 (UTC)

Christmas rewrite[edit]

Going on the remarks here, the article seems to have generated a great deal of dissatisfaction without anyone trying to address it. I am not sure that the current rewrite covers all the bases in what is a wide field, but it attempts to give the article the logical progression that it lacked formerly; to consider various definitions of concrete poetry backed by authoritative references; and to look at a few of the works resulting from the very wide interpretations of the term once it reached the English-language area. Mzilikazi1939 (talk) 21:10, 18 December 2015 (UTC)

e e cummings[edit]

Not clear to me why he has been removed. Though his poetry is rarely (if ever?) completely concrete, there are elements of concreteness in many poems. Ben Finn (talk) 09:36, 15 July 2017 (UTC)

Cummings was once listed along with others as an influence on Concrete Poetry but the passage had been marked as needing a citation. If you can find a reputable source that makes this connection, then his name could be added. Otherwise it's WP:OR. Mzilikazi1939 (talk) 20:53, 15 July 2017 (UTC)

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