Talk:Constitution of Kosovo

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Khm...[edit]

I don't wanna be the first to say it, but this article isn't exactly neutral POV. Firstly, if you decide to put history in the article, start from the beginning. Kosovo existed, and thus had a status of some sorts even before the 1800's, and it wasn't ruled by Turks since the beginning of time. And this is where come to the good part: phrases like "Kosovo was militarily occupied and then ceded to Serbia with the decision of the Great Powers.", "Kosovo declared its righteous secession", and such are, well... You know. Let's just say that in the first case the Serbs would say that Kosovo was liberated, and in the other that Albanian separatists committed an unlawful act. Statements like those do not belong to Wikipedia, or any other encyclopedia for that matter. There are many places out there to express opinions, but this is not one of these. I understand that these are turbulent times, but Wikipedia, as you surely know, is not a soapbox. Zhelja (talk) 01:04, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

well said.

Edwin Larkin (talk) 15:22, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

Typo?[edit]

"A new Constitution of Kosovo has been drafter and is expected to be ratified soon."

Should this say "drafted" rather than "drafter"? mdkarazim (talk) 17:49, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

Constitutional status[edit]

...Kosovo didn't receive before 1974. It especially didn't have in the 19th century, due to the fact that it was only formed in 1945. --PaxEquilibrium (talk) 13:24, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

I will consider an introduction to Kosovo's constitutional history more than necessary. Its intricate situation compels us to let the reader know how it came about that Kosovo ratified its own constitution and under what laws it was governed during its previous status as a province of the Ottoman Empire of the Kingdom of Yugoslavia (split into three banovinas). Therefore, I am returning to the older version, which furthermore contains a source and I will add others.--Getoar (talk) 19:45, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but that has nothing to do with this subject. There is Kosovo, History of Kosovo, Kosovo status process, Constitutional status of Kosovo or other. Do we need to vote on this? --PaxEquilibrium (talk) 15:09, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

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  • Support - it is totally unrelated to Kosovo's constitution and there are loads of other articles for the data, as presented to the up. --PaxEquilibrium (talk) 15:09, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
  • Support - It's not really needed. Agree with Pax. Beam (talk) 18:03, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
  • Support - Misleading, the article is called "Constitution of Kosovo" therefore it should specifically be only about the constitution, not history. If the user wishes to read the history of Kosova they may do so just by typing "Kosova" on WP search. Kosova2008 (talk) 19:23, 1 April 2008 (UTC)


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  • Support as the facts he mentioned are correct. I find this article informative and important. --Tubesship (talk) 16:33, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
  • Support per User:Getoar , it is definitely relevant and sourced (and neutral)--Cradel 19:52, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
  • Support Constitution of Kosovo and Constitutional status of Kosovo are two completely different issues. Jawohl (talk) 14:03, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

a bit early for voting: try to carve out a compromise. For the time being, this article should be merged anyway, since it has practically no information. As soon as the new draft is out, of course, the article is going to be predominantly about that. dab (𒁳) 19:54, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

There are a lot of other constitutions which are missing and should be mentioned. This article should exist but include only the different constitutions under which its citizens were ruled. History should not be part of the article but one should start with the Roman Law (if there was one applied), the serb law, the ottoman law, the Kanun and then followed by the recent constitutions in the last 100 years (incl. the Kacanik one) up to the constitution which was signed today. Jawohl (talk) 18:59, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

@ Dab, nothing should be merged here. Jawohl (talk) 14:04, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

Other constitutions[edit]

This article should not mention (except briefly in context) other constitutions, such as the 1974 or 1990 constitutions. If desired, separate articles can be created on those. Superm401 - Talk 02:29, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

POV?[edit]

The constitution...."providing a safer environment for all citizens of Kosovo." IDK about this statement.

Edwin Larkin (talk) 15:20, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

Language[edit]

Can anybody specify what language(s) the original is in? The Evil Spartan (talk) 23:51, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

UNMIK framework de jure still in force?[edit]

I made some changes reflecting the status of the constitutional framework adopted under UNMIK. We don't have sources showing the answers to these questions and the article title encomasses both UNMIK/PISG and RoK. Alinor (talk) 08:44, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

OK, so the UNMIK authorized the Provisional Institutions of Self-Government (PISG) per UNMIK Regulation 2001/9 of 15 May 2001. It explicitly provides that "laws, once promulgated, are binding legislative acts of a general nature", "the President shall sign each law adopted by the Assembly and forward it to the SRSG for promulgation" and "laws shall become effective on the day of their promulgation by the SRSG, unless otherwise specified." (The SRSG is the Special Representative of the Secretary-General for Kosovo which actually issues these regulations and for which UNMIK functions.) Section 1.5 creates the Assembly and all the other institutions of the PISG, which did not exist prior to that, correct?

It was this PISG Assembly that adopted this Constitution of Kosovo of 9 April 2008? If regulation 2001/9 was still in effect, wouldn't the SRSG have promulgated this act? Does anyone have verification the 2008 Constitution was promulgated by the SRSG? Int21h (talk) 21:37, 20 April 2011 (UTC)

The February 2008 Declaration of Independence was not adopted by the PISG Assembly and was not promulgated by the SRSG. This was established in the ICJ ruling. So, I assume that all subsequent RoK acts are not adopted by the PISG Assembly, but by the RoK Assembly and thus aren't subject to SRSG promulgation. So, I assume that the RoK Constitution is also adopted by the RoK Assembly and not by the PISG Assembly. But of course it would be nice to have a source about that.
Where do you check for UNMIK promulgations? When exactly did they stop? What promulgations were made between 17Feb2008 and today (if any)? Are they related to RoK institutions or to PISG? I couldn't find the promulgations list at the UNMIK site... Alinor (talk) 09:09, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
See also here. Alinor (talk) 09:38, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
Declaration of Independence != Constitution of Kosovo. A BBC article claims "Kosovo's parliament" passed the Constitution, which I would assume is the PISG parliament, as it is the only recognized parliament in the country up until that time AFAIK. The RoK Assembly was established pursuant to the Constitution, which was passed by an Assembly before such Constitution was established, ie. I don't think they established a RoK parliament which then passed a Constituion creating a RoK parliament, usually that is left to a previous legal entity or convention. I used Google Site Search on the UNMIK to find the regulations, they are randomly published, with the later regulations on a different part of the site. Int21h (talk) 21:15, 22 April 2011 (UTC)
I can't find any regulations after Regulation No. 2008/34 of 14 June 2008, "On the Promulgation of the Law on the Supplementation and Amendment of the Labour Inspectorate Law adopted by the Assembly of Kosovo" or any mention of regulations past that date on the web. Int21h (talk) 21:26, 22 April 2011 (UTC)
Which was passed after "Kosovo's parliament" passed the new Constitution of 9 April, on 29 April. Int21h (talk) 21:42, 22 April 2011 (UTC)
Many journalists reported that "Kosovo parliament" adopted a declaration of independence in February 2008, but as it turned out in the end it was not the PISG Assembly (the only Kosovo parliament at that time), but rather individual members of that assembly, but in personal capacity, not as official act of the PISG Assembly.
Let's not split the discussion and continue at Talk:Kosovo#Republic.2C_PISG.2C_and_UNMIK. Alinor (talk) 06:43, 26 April 2011 (UTC)

Proposed merge with Constitutional system in Kosova[edit]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.

The article seems to contain much overlap with this page, and might be merged here, and/or possibly Government of Kosovo, where sourced and appropriate. AdventurousSquirrel (talk) 01:09, 7 April 2014 (UTC)

  • Yes, merging that article into this one could be a good idea. bobrayner (talk) 19:10, 21 April 2014 (UTC)
  • Merge with this article. 23 editor (talk) 21:36, 21 April 2014 (UTC)
  • Merge per nom. Governments and Constitutions are related but different. Int21h (talk) 03:50, 22 April 2014 (UTC)
  • Support, closing.--Zoupan 07:41, 18 August 2015 (UTC)

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