Talk:Cornel West

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Citation[edit]

I am not sure how to imbed the citation in the actual text, but the following quote: "existential angst derive[d] from the lived experience of ontological wounds and emotional scars inflicted by white supremacist beliefs and images permeating U.S. society and culture" under the section Views on Race in America is from West's book Race Matters and can be found on page 27. The book was originally published in 1993 but my edition was published in 2001. Can someone help my by adding this citation after the quote? Thanks. Bmstephany 18:26, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

Personal Life[edit]

Would it make sense to add anything about Dr. West's personal life to this page? He has a wife, Elleni, and a son, Clifton Louis West. Bmstephany 18:23, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

would it make sense to list he has siblings. He used the phrase "My Brother Scott, has done

great work on Twain" in an appearance on "Real Time with Bill Maher". Now perhaps he used the phrase Metaphorically, but it made me wonder if he has siblings.--71.178.199.89 (talk) 01:52, 15 February 2011 (UTC)

removed text[edit]

I have removed the following because it is controversial and uncited. — goethean 16:55, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

He explains that "the accumulated effect of the black wounds and scars suffered in a white-dominated society is a deep-seated anger, a boiling sense of rage, and a passionate pessimism regarding America's will to justice." "It goes without saying," he adds, "that a profound hatred of African people . . . sits at the center of American civilization."[citation needed]

Sentence fragment; please help rewrite or complete[edit]

In the section about the dispute with Lawrence Summers: In Wests opinion, he felt he was highly regarded in the academic community because he had a tenured at Harvard,Princiton and Yale. Also he had more refrences and qualifictions than fourteen out of the seventeen Harvard Professors. Can someone complete this sentence? I don't know what was intended here.Raryel (talk) 17:13, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

Removed note from main page[edit]

I've removed the following not from the body of the article and thought it should be noted here

This article needs cleanup & better 3rd party citing! I'd attach the MediaWiki box if I knew how, but in a hurry just now...

BahamaLlama8 (talk) 22:53, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

Dispute with Summers Section[edit]

The segment on West's dispute with Summers skews heavily in West's favor, and looks like it takes wholecloth statements by West. Anyone want to get in there and clean it up? HandsomeSam57 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 20:55, 1 November 2009 (UTC).

It's one thing to go through something as traumatic as cancer, and anyone who has been through anything traumatic knows who was there for them during that difficult time! That's some shit you just don't forget!! Jason Slater (talk) 08:05, 10 October 2016 (UTC)

Something doesn't seem right[edit]

"Cornel Ronald West (born June 2, 1953) is an American philosopher"

and

"his work as an academic philosopher has been almost completely ignored"

If that second statement is true, maybe you shouldn't open with the first. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.76.149.143 (talk) 23:50, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

Thank you for pointing out the inconsistency. The editors responsible have been sacked. Face-smile.svg — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 06:03, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

Jacques Fresco[edit]

The Jacques Fresco that this article links to is not the microbiologist Jacques Fresco but some conspiracy theorist guy who happens to have the same name. This is a link to the Jacques Fresco that the article cites. I'm not sure how to take out the link in the article. http://www.molbio.princeton.edu/index.php?option=content&task=view&id=209 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.81.51.208 (talk) 05:53, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

Thank you for catching the error. I've fixed the incorrect link, but unfortunately we don't have a biography of Jacques Robert Fresco, the microbiologist, yet. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 06:00, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

Discover the Networks article link & copyright[edit]

Hipocrite, what evidence do you have that the link to DTN was a copyright violation? Drrll (talk) 15:51, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

Because the article was published in "The New Republic." Hipocrite (talk) 15:53, 13 October 2010 (UTC)
Isn't it possible that they obtained permission to host the article? Drrll (talk) 16:13, 13 October 2010 (UTC)
Are you asking if it's possible, or if it's likley, or if it's appropriate for us to link there when we could merely reference the actual text? Hipocrite (talk) 16:15, 13 October 2010 (UTC)
Clearly, a direct link to the source of an article is always preferable, but if it's not available it's helpful to have access to an article, as long as there's no evidence of copyright violation. Drrll (talk) 16:22, 13 October 2010 (UTC)
There are a series of reasons to believe that article is a copyvio. First - it provides no valid copyright information - the bottom of the page states "Copyright 2003-2005 : DiscoverTheNetwork.org" This is known-false - we know the article is copyright The New Republic, 1995. Second, The New Republic has it's own, paid archives - see [1]. I think the combination of the copyright holder limiting access to the archives plus a false copyright claim on the third-party archive constitute reasonable expectation of playing fast-and-loose with IP. Hipocrite (talk) 16:51, 13 October 2010 (UTC)
In that case, I have to admit that it looks like they probably don't have the proper permissions or at least are careless in delineating their right to host the article. Drrll (talk) 17:07, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

"Popular Culture"[edit]

I'm reworking the Popular Culture section by eliminating "list" references which go against WP standards, keeping information relevant to his career, and renaming it "Entertainment", so as it focuses on his film, television and musical career (rather than one-off "Cornell West" references in pop culture).--Chimino (talk) 10:41, 7 March 2011 (UTC)

It seems like there should be some mention of his involvement with the Terence Blanchard album "Choices." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.142.220.80 (talk) 00:20, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

Sure, feel free to add it to the last paragraph of the "Entertainment Career" section. When I wrote the above there was a long list of random "pop culture" references about West, which I eliminated (see WP:trivia.--Chimino (talk) 00:28, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

"American political philosophers"?[edit]

Should Cornel West's page have "American political philosophers" as a category attached to it? Considering the fact that he has contributed essentially nothing significant or new to the field of political philosophy, I'm wondering if this category is an appropriate one.69.115.228.66 (talk) 23:06, 11 May 2011 (UTC)

Hmmm, he's definitely a leading political commentator; what exactly constitutes a political philosopher, anyway?--Chimino (talk) 23:12, 11 May 2011 (UTC)

Well, so what if he's a "leading political commentator"? Bill O'Reilly is also a leading political commentator; it doesn't make him a philosopher. A political philosopher is someone who makes signficant scholarly additions to the body of knowledge of political theory. When I hear the term "political philosopher", I think of people like John Rawls, Robert Nozick, Ronald Dworkin, Michael Walzer, Isaiah Berlin, Paul Gottfried, Thomas Sowell, etc. In other words, people who have made major scholarly contributions to the discipline through books, articles in academic journals, etc. Cornel West has not engaged in any scholarly activity since 1989, when he published his "The American Evasion of Philosophy", a survey of pragmatism which I don't think most of his peers in the academy regard as a major achievement.69.115.228.66 (talk) 14:52, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

Along these lines, I came to the article hoping to find a summary of his thought and summary of critical response. I find neither, I am afraid. Would be helpful. Andrew H 23 June 2011

West is a "leading political commentator"? You have got to be kidding. His political commentary is about as meaningful and prolific as his "scholarship" which is to say not at all.74.141.154.28 (talk) 01:09, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

We need more inline criticism of his politics[edit]

We need to add in Stanley Crouch opinions (for balance only) as well as Harris-Perry (Obama's pet).--Halqh حَلَقَة הלכהሐላቃህ (talk) 09:47, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

Some organization[edit]

Hi all,

I've just been looking over this article and think it could use some heavy reorganization. The "career" section in particular is almost a list. It should be crafted into a more coherent narrative as per WP:MOS guidelines. I think this will have the added bonus of illuminating areas where the article may be deficient, if any. I'd be happy to work on this myself, but would prefer to do it in partnership with another editor. Thoughts?--Grapplequip (talk) 06:13, 1 October 2011 (UTC)

I will give it a shot as time permits...--Chimino (talk) 23:40, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

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West's 2012 Obama endorsement[edit]

I believe that this ought to be mentioned:

' So voting for Obama is good strategy given the realities of the world?

A Romney administration would be a catastrophic response to an already catastrophic condition. I still get in a lot of trouble with my left-wing comrades on this—that I would still support Obama winning while continuing to tell the truth about drones dropping bombs on innocent people, which I consider war crimes, about the Wall Street government, about the refusal to close Guantanamo, about [section] 1021 of the National Authorization Act where you can detain citizens without trial or even assassinate citizens based on the decisions of the executive branch. All of those things to me are morally obscene. It’s a matter of telling that truth, strategically. I think we have to ensure that we don’t have a takeover by conservative right-wing or we’re in a world of trouble.' ~ http://www.vice.com/read/cornel-west-plans-to-vote-for-obama-in-november-and-protest-his-policies-in-february Beingsshepherd (talk) 03:50, 31 October 2016 (UTC)

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