Talk:Coronation of Queen Elizabeth II

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Great job[edit]

Good job with the article Miesianiacal. Only problem is, instead of the usual complaints about articles related to the Queen being too British-centric, this one seems a tid-bit Canadian-centric. Perhaps put in the names of the other notable contingents which marched, and putting in the names of prominent guests from the other Realms in the "Guests" section? I went through the whole article and realized you put a citation needed tag on the Mount Everest climb part, I heard that on a television program about the climb of Mount Everest and the NZ and British Media dubbing it "a Coronation gift for the new Queen". I looked for sources and came up with these http://www.nepalgatewaytrekking.com/; http://www.nytimes.com/learning/general/onthisday/big/0529.html at a glance when searching on Google for Mount Everest + Coronation gift. Could you please put them in? And, again, great job, keep it up, the article's looking very nice. :) --~Knowzilla (Talk) 06:24, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

Thank you.
The article is right now a bit overly Canadian, yes; I was aware of that. It's only that way because I have the Canadian sources at hand, whereas anything else will take me a bit of time to research; that's all. If you can help, that would be great. --Ħ MIESIANIACAL 12:39, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

What a service to the community! Miesianiacal, thank you for creating a page good in itself, and so well structured that future decades can build on it. At 26, she looked like a young girl to me. We were glued to the radio -- the Armed Forces Radio Network relayed a shortwave link from London. The crown touched the head of the girl at 12:31 Central European Time (11:31 Greenwich), a much littler boy swore he'd never forget the time, and I'm sure everyone in Frankfurt (43,000 Americans at the time) cheered. I came here to your article 60 years later to check my memory, but since I don't think you give the time of coronation, I'll share my recollection with you instead. Remember, you can't cite me, because I'm a living memory not a published source, and, secondly, I think the kitchen clock was a couple minutes off. Again, thanks and warm regards -- the event, the coronation, united an anxious world in hope that the past would survive and the future would be worth working for.
Jerry-va (talk) 15:29, 19 January 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for that, it is worth checking the time, so that it can be properly referenced, and included. Here is another living memory, which, similarly, can not be included, but for which a proper source must exist; there was some reflection on the recent past here. That this ancient ceremony could take place at all was a reminder of a victory over a frightful tyranny that had threatened to smash up most of Europe and rebuild it along lines that do not bear thinking about. The article could use a contemporary source expressing this thought. For I assure you, it was widely felt. 2.28.168.115 (talk) 10:04, 28 November 2013 (UTC)

Lord Great Chamberlain[edit]

Per the London Gazette (and all other sources I'm aware of), the Lord Great Chamberlain at the coronation was the Marquess of Cholmondeley, not the Earl of Ancaster, who had served in the role under George VI. Ancaster did participate in the coronation ceremony, but not as Lord Great Chamberlain. I'm not sure how to correct this, because I don't know whether Ancaster did perform the actions attributed to him, but not as Lord Great Chamberlain, or whether they were actually performed by Cholmondeley. john k (talk) 13:16, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

Anointing[edit]

I have seen accounts that this is done on the head, hands and heart. Did the Archbishop do this? The article says only that the head was done. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.28.168.115 (talk) 10:25, 28 November 2013 (UTC)

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Coronation oath[edit]

This edit by an IP editor appears to be misleading:

  • Seated again on the Chair of Estate, Elizabeth then took the Coronation Oath as administered by the Archbishop of Canterbury. It is worth noting that the oath was changed without statutory authority.[1] In the lengthy oath, the Queen swore to govern each of her countries according to their respective laws and customs (for which there is no statutory nor customary authority[ibid.]), to mete out law and justice with mercy, to uphold Protestantism in the United Kingdom and protect the Church of England and preserve its bishops and clergy.

This is presumably based on these sentences from the cited source

  • It is worth noting that the coronation oath has been modified without statutory authority. The present Queen swore a slightly different version of the oath to the 1689 version. It still included a promise to maintain the established Protestant religion in the United Kingdom.

The source says "slightly changed", and does not say that this change related to the phrase "to govern each of her countries according to their respective laws and customs". The 1688 oath included:

  • Will you solemnely promise and sweare to governe the people of this kingdome of England and the dominions thereto belonging according to the statutes in Parlyament agreed on and the laws and customs of the same?

Where the 1953 oath had:

  • Will you solemnly promise and swear to govern the Peoples of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, the Union of South Africa, Pakistan, and Ceylon, and of your Possessions and the other Territories to any of them belonging or pertaining, according to their respective laws and customs?

The main difference is that the 1953 oath names more countries, does not specify "Parlyament agreed on" and the language is modernised. Our new wording from the recent edit implies a more significant unauthorised change, and is thus misleading. I will revert the edit. Verbcatcher (talk) 20:58, 4 July 2017 (UTC)

Agreed, I'm not sure why anyone would expect there to be a new statute to cover amendments which were self-evidently required. I have had a look at Sir Roy Strong's Coronation and he is silent on this issue, except to say that amendments to the ceremony to make greater inclusion of the Commonwealth Realms would only open "a hornet's nest of complex negotiations" and therefore there were only minimal adjustments over the 1937 event (p. 444). Alansplodge (talk) 12:53, 5 July 2017 (UTC)

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