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Difference?[edit]

Is there any meaningful difference between "country rock" and Southern rock? Tuf-Kat 06:12, Sep 27, 2004 (UTC)

Yeah. Country rock is a lot more country. Gram Parsons is country rock, Lynryd Skynyrd are Southern rock. They don't sound all that similar. Naturally there's a crossover : Little Feat, Commander Cody et al. Country rock tends to be song and vocal based -- country songs with a rockier arrangement, Southern Rock are mainly rock songs with a countrified arrangement and harmony. Southern rock thinks nothing of filling entire sides of a double album with instrumental jams (Hey, the Allman Brothers Band, this means YOU!)

Southern Rock is arguably a fusion of country rock with blues rock, with a lyrical emphasis on Southern culture. Of course, all three subgenres are diverse and tend to overlap. Heck, the Marshall Tucker Band was countrier than most of what gets played on country radio these days. Just my 2¢. Archola 00:59, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

"and were also influenced by the emergence of rock & roll in the 1960s" rock and roll Shouldnt this read "rock music"? Lukeyhear 17:34, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

The Dillards[edit]

You absolutely MUST put The Dillards at the top of your list. The other pioneers in the field would insist!!! They are the root of the genre. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.47.105.164 (talkcontribs) /—Preceding unsigned comment added by Michaelseanhof (talkcontribs)

The Dillards may be pioneers, but they are too obscure for a general reference in an encyclopedia, especially without references. freshacconcispeaktome 16:12, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
As I've mentioned, including the Dillards without a source is original research. Until that can be provided, listing them is a problem. This article needs more sources, not more unsourced opinions. freshacconcispeaktome 16:29, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

In general, the onus is on those that seek to include something. Therefore, 68.47.105.164 should attempt to locate a source that discusses the band as a country rock act. Edit warring is not appropriate. — Scientizzle 16:33, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

At the moment, this article is just some unsourced information and opinions, with a long list, which I admit I've added to. In the end, all we are getting here is editors adding their favourite bands, with some sort of continuous attempt to predate the earliest mentioned act (there was a previous attempt to place the Monkees as the earliest county-rock act). Obviously, this is getting ridiculous and I'm thinking no new info should be added until clear sources can be brought in. As with many creative topics, establishing who is "first" is always open to debate and we need some expert published opinions, not necessarily to declare "the first", but to indicate that in fact coming up with a definitive first is near impossible. freshacconcispeaktome 16:43, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
I think working to develop an inclusion criteria (i.e., every mentioned band must have an appropriate source that discusses them as "country rock". The protection will expire in 23 hours, so hopefully some headway can be made on this. Wikipedia:WikiProject Country Music would be an excellent place to start for gathering opinions and help, I imagine. — Scientizzle 16:57, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
Thanks, I'll work on that. freshacconcispeaktome 17:03, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
Hey brother- you don't have any citations whatsoever. You have BIG AND RICH on your page and you are asking me for a citation on The Dillards? Are you kidding!!!
Anyone serious about consideration of this genre would not only include this group, but would bow down before these guys and have the at the very front of their list. This is like having a page about soul music and not including James Brown or Otis Redding.Further, the Dillards aren't obscure-AT ALL!!! They were the Darling family on Andy Griffith.
They sold many, many, many more albums than much of your list. All country rock comes from the Dillards. They mixed the genres before any of the bands you listed. Their albums "Wheatstraw Suite" Copperfields" "Tribute To The American Duck" "Roots and Branches" are the catalyst of country rock. Gram Parsons, The Eagles, The Byrds, Poco all state that the Dillards are their MAIN influence. The Nitty Gritty Dirt Band respected these guys so much that John McCuen made a whole documentary about them and their history. Look them up if you don't believe me. Unless you include them, your page isn't legitimate. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Michaelseanhof (talkcontribs)

Clean up[edit]

I plan to carry out a clean up of this article soon. It will take into account points made above, remove any POV and add citations where possible. I also intend to put more detail on the role of Dylan and The Byrds in the development of the genre, which is oddly missing here. If you have any points you wish to be incorporated into the clean-up now is the time to voice them.--SabreBD (talk) 09:56, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

This now done.--SabreBD (talk) 08:55, 18 January 2010 (UTC)