Talk:Creatine ethyl ester

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pls. sign your comments with four tildes. Journalist1983 22:09, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

This article doesn't make sense. You say that the ethyl group stabilizes the creatine in acid, which I can see. This stability decreases creatinine production, which is GOOD. The sentence after that says just the opposite - that for this reason, creatine ethyl ester is inferior. That's completely contradictory. By the way, your reference dates back to 1955. That is way too old to have any significance in 2008. Ptseng (talk) 15:08, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

The references are unclear. The article states "Another study" found the effects of CEE to be comparable to placebo but references the same, single, study as the first reference. This should be cleaned up. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.169.189.225 (talk) 00:18, 16 April 2013 (UTC)

Dubious research

The company behind the so called 'independant research' is promoting a rival product called creasafe, so its not truly independant —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.192.59.194 (talk) 21:16, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

I've got a MSc Instrumental Analytical Chemistry and the experiment conditions in that research paper is very flawed as is the testing method. The acid conditions do not reflect the acid in the stomach and also no details of amounts of used etc....If this report was submitted to a Science Journal, it would get ripped apart with no chance of publication. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.192.59.97 (talk) 12:46, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Seems good enough for most experts. If CEE is less stable under acidic conditions, it really doesn't matter whether it's put into gastric acid or not, because the end result would just be the same. Also, the quantity of creatine used shouldn't be too important here, since the results were given as a percentage. The researchers had nothing to gain from exposing this CEE hoax, because there are plenty of companies out there, that would have gladly paid them a nice sum of money, if they(this researchers) had instead «proven» that CEE was really the way to go. It is very important for people to start realizing, once and for all, that almost every single «hot new product» that appears in the supplement market, has zero independent research backing up its manufacturers claims, and may actually be innefective, as well as potentially harmful. CEE is simply one of those supplements, and I'm very glad, that it has finally been exposed as the hoax it really is!! --Werty26262626 (talk), Monday, 12 June 2008. —Preceding comment was added at 18:13, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

This article does nothing to address the effect that ethyl esters have on absorption. A simple enteric coating would bypass the stomach and allow the small intestine to absorb the creatine, and thus make the findings of Child and Tallon irrelevant.

Among other things, those researchers have shown us that the marketers of CEE were making false claims, concerning CEE's stability under acidic conditions. This certainly makes one wonder, whether the other claim they've made(that CEE has a better absorption, when compared to regular CM) might also turn out to be false. --Werty26262626 (talk), 2 August 2008.

Link is no longer active, leaving the page without a single reference. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Larryisgood (talk • contribs) 22:07, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

Just because the link is dead doesn't mean the reference can't be found elsewhere (references don't have to be internet links either - there's still something called libraries out there). Don't worry the reference is fixed now. --Yankees76 (talk) 23:10, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

Creatine Ethyl Ester Uses

What are uses of this substance? Healthycare (talk) 13:52, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

Aside from generating revenue for supplement manufacturers, it does nothing. TimBuck2 (talk) 13:56, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. Is there any significant difference between Creatine Ethyl Ester and Creatine Ethyl Ester Malate other than the latter has a better taste? I've heard that Malate has fewer side effects, but maybe it would be nice to list those, just in case anyone needs them. Healthycare (talk) 14:03, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

There is no significant difference between salt forms once it gets to the stomach. Taste will be different, but side effects won't. I have merged the Creatine Ethyl Ester Hydrochloride into this one, because they are the same topic. ChemNerd (talk) 21:33, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

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