Talk:Crow Nation

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History[edit]

For a people with such a storied history almost none is given here. I think the article would be greatly improved if someone with some knowledge of Crow history were to edit the page. I would but I am woefully ignorant of the subject (which is how I found my way here in the first place.

I will have to get my sources together and add some history of their long wars with the Lakota and shorter wars with others and their alliance with the U.S. cavalry. "They moved west" is a very dry summary of what actually happened. 65.79.173.135 (talk) 20:37, 21 November 2008 (UTC)Will in New Haven65.79.173.135 (talk) 20:37, 21 November 2008 (UTC)


There is no mention yet of the wars with the Lakota or the scouts who served with the U.S. Army. No mention of the Crow scouts who warned Custer before the fight on the Greasy Grass. I'm too tired right now but I will put some of this stuff in if no one else wants to. 76.28.103.69 (talk) 00:54, 8 August 2009 (UTC)Will in New Haven76.28.103.69 (talk) 00:54, 8 August 2009 (UTC)


What kind of tools did they use?

Weird image text[edit]

What's up with the [[Image:|125px|Flag of The Crow Nation]] text in the infobox? Zoe (216.234.130.130 00:56, 23 December 2005 (UTC))


Matriarchy[edit]

I had an anthropology professor (cited in the page: Rodney Frey), an "honorary Crow member" who stated d that the Crow were polygynous prior to colonization. While I could see that, theoretically, a polygynous culture could be matriarchal, could they be matrilineal? -- Juniorvarsity


Yes, they were polygynous. All information points to them being matrilineal. The Blackfoot were also polygynous. However, the Blackfoot were multilineal. -- WiccaIrish 00:01, 15 December 2006 (UTC)


I deleted the statement that the Crow were a "matriarchal tribe (females obtaining high status, even chief)." There was no citation to support it. The fact that females obtained high status does not make the society matriarchal; otherwise the U.S. would be a matriarchal society. Female chiefs are discussed in the Chiefs section. Eterry (talk) 15:01, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

"Martriarchal" is a very strong claim and I doubt it can be backed up. However, women did achieve fame and prominance among the Crow, one warrior named Pretty Shield being well-known. 65.79.173.135 (talk) 20:35, 21 November 2008 (UTC)Will in New Haven65.79.173.135 (talk) 20:35, 21 November 2008 (UTC)


Well I think that it doesn't matter at all cu'z it's just marriage.There's no point to such an ignorant and uneaded practice.

A source —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.21.113.162 (talk) 16:31, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

Bisexuality[edit]

How can all of them be bisexual? How is this known, from where does this information come and has there been any study made into this most bizzarre phenomenon? User:Vegfarandi 17:19, 14 December 2006 (UTC)


It was vandalism. It has now been reverted. -- WiccaIrish 23:50, 14 December 2006 (UTC)


Buffalo jump[edit]

The Crow article claims that a woman chief invented the buffalo jump in the 1500s, but the link to the definition of buffalo jump says that this practice became prevalent in 100 ad, before the advent of the bow and arrow. Definitely a large discrepancy.... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.63.212.132 (talkcontribs)

Chief Running Coyote was a man, not a woman. Re-read that section. -- WiccaIrish 07:10, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
To revive this, there's still a 1,500 year discrepancy between this article and buffalo jump, and a 4,000 year discrepancy between this article and Head Smashed In Buffalo Jump. Kmusser (talk) 20:16, 19 March 2008 (UTC)


I didn't have no notion that them there buffalo's jumped! I's was think'n that they's was shot by them Injun's wit bows a`n arrers a'n stuff. I reck'n I's was wrong agin. And I also got ta figure'n that...uh...ohh what's's face...that'a "Chief Pranc'n Fox"...er no..."Run'n Coyote"! Yah! That's was it! "Run'n Coyote". Huh! Well anyways, I thought that it was a lassie that was doi'n the all the brainstorm'n.Guess I was wrong agin.Agin.

Jed Clampett —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.21.113.162 (talk) 16:52, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

reigion- unknown —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.79.64.34 (talk) 19:42, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

PD photo[edit]

See [1] and [http://lcweb2.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/I?ils:1:./temp/~pp_WzSo::displayType=1:m856sd=ppmsca:m856sf=17965:@@@il. Badagnani (talk) 23:23, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

Vandalism?[edit]

I've reverted these edits by User:MountainCrow1 because of the lack of punctuation in the first sentence, the strange word "biishtaasheelaa" and the "kick-in-the-bellies" part of the tribe but on further investigation the latter doesn't seem too incorrect. I'm not knowledgeable of the subject and hope that someone better informed can take a closer look and revise if necessary. Sciurinæ (talk) 16:08, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

Role In Indian Wars[edit]

Is there anymore information on why the Crow nation seemed to provide so many US cavalry scouts. Did the crow have many major fights with white settlers as they never seem to be mentioned in histories compared to other tribes/nations like the Lakota or Arapahoe. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.86.71.241 (talk) 14:51, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

The Crows provided scouts to the U.S. army because they found their land invaded by their enemies in the Lakota tribe. All major fights between the Lakota and the U.S. army were fought on battlefields located in Crow Indian treaty guaranteed territory according to the Treaty of Fort Laramie (1851). If you mark where fights like the Fetterman Fight, Wagon Box Fight, Hayfield Fight, Battle of the Rosebud, Battle of the Little Bighorn were fought, then you will find them located in 1851 Crow Indian treaty territory - not in 1851 Lakota Indian treaty territory. "The Sioux wants to get our country, but we will not let them have it", said Crow chief Blackfoot after a fight with the Sioux on Pryor Creek in the Crow Indian Reservation in 1873. The whites had no monopoly on taking land from the Indians. By providing scouts to the army, the Crows hoped to stop the advancing Lakotas. Like a number of other tribes (the Ponca, the Hidatsa, the Pawnee, the Flathead, the Assiniboine, the Gros Ventre of the Plains or the Atsina and the Omaha just to give some), the Crow tribe can't tell of many (if any) fights with settlers or the U.S. army. Injustices - sure, but nothing like Sand Creek. Naawada2016 (talk) 15:56, 9 July 2017 (UTC)

No Johnson?[edit]

I feel there should be a mention of Liver Eatin' Johnson. Even if his defeat of the 20 bravest and skilled warriors in the Crow nation was untrue, the legend lives on. The movie "Jeremiah Johnson" isn't mentioned and it should be. The book "Crow Killer" should also be mentioned, can "Depiak Absaroka" be forgotten? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 152.160.97.160 (talk) 04:21, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

Crow vs Raven[edit]

"The Apsaalooke are also referred to as the Crow, which the white people introduced because of their lack of perfect communication. The bird that the Crow tribe is actually paired with is the raven, which is not widely known."

I don't think this is accurate. Crows and Ravens are the same bird - just like the puma and mountain lion are the same animal. I also think "the white people" isn't a particularly good term to use either. Just wanted to make sure before I made any changes. Eruptflail (talk) 05:59, 2 July 2013 (UTC)

The American Crow and Common Raven are different species. But since that sentence you're referring to doesn't have a citation within a mile of it, I'd say do with it what you want. – Kerαunoςcopiagalaxies 16:36, 2 July 2013 (UTC)

File:The Scout in Winter, Crow, 1908, Edward S. Curtis (restored II).jpg to appear as POTD[edit]

Hello! This is a note to let the editors of this article know that File:The Scout in Winter, Crow, 1908, Edward S. Curtis (restored II).jpg will be appearing as picture of the day on November 29, 2014. You can view and edit the POTD blurb at Template:POTD/2014-11-29. If this article needs any attention or maintenance, it would be preferable if that could be done before its appearance on the Main Page. Thanks! — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:21, 8 November 2014 (UTC)

The Scout in Winter
A Crow man on horseback on snow-covered ground, probably in the Pryor Mountains of Montana, as photographed by Edward S. Curtis c. 1908.

The Crow had adapted horses by 1740, using them as pack animals (replacing dogs) and also to hunt bison more effectively. Soon they were known as horse breeders and dealers.Photograph: Edward S. Curtis; restoration: Keraunoscopia

Great photo to spotlight! One problem I see is that it's highly unlikely that it was taken in July 1908, so that might want to be looked into. I will if I have time.--KingJeff1970 (talk) 21:50, 8 November 2014 (UTC)
  • Thanks for the feedback. Have gone with c. 1908 for now. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:49, 9 November 2014 (UTC)
Curtis took other pictures of the Crow in 1908. Date is likely right. User:Fred Bauder Talk 05:06, 10 June 2016 (UTC)

Assessment comment[edit]

The comment(s) below were originally left at Talk:Crow Nation/Comments, and are posted here for posterity. Following several discussions in past years, these subpages are now deprecated. The comments may be irrelevant or outdated; if so, please feel free to remove this section.

Very good sections on many topics, but strangely, lacks completely of a historical one. Needs historical background, and expansion on a few topics. A few more illustrations wouldn't hurt either. Phaedriel - 16 Feb 06 Needs separate language page ("Crow" language link currently leads back to "Crow Nation" - Skookum1 - 16 Feb 06

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