Talk:Cultural depictions of cats

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suggestions[edit]

A number of suggestions

(1) Rewrite the article so it starts with oldest dates down to present day
(2) References 
(3) Seperate the myths and legends stuff to a different section
(4) Compare with similar articles already about cats

--Davelane 19:21, 26 December 2005 (UTC)

Black Death[edit]

"The human killing of cats in the Middle Ages has also been cited as one of the reasons for the spread of bubonic plague - the Black Death, which was spread by the increased rodent population caused by the death of so many cats."

This passage is internally inconsistent with Wikipedia's own account of the Black Death. It states that the disease was equally virulent across Europe, the Middle East, and Asia. Middle Eastern and Asian culture did not stigmatize cats in the same way European culture did.

I don't believe it has been proven equally, just similarly virulent. In any case, it's certainly true that the practice was in fact carried out, it increased transmission. On the other hand, "also been cited" begs for more direct citation and evidence that the cats themselves couldn't've served equally or worse as carriers for the fleas themselves. 101.229.79.243 (talk) 00:14, 11 February 2012 (UTC)

question[edit]

Does anyone have a source on the contribution of witch associated cat-killings to the onset of the Plague pandemic in Europe? I've seen it in a few places but not reliable enough that I would cite it here. Avi9505 18:18, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Kami Neko[edit]

An emperor one day passed by a cat, which seemed to wave to him. Taking the cat's motion as a sign, the emperor paused and went to it. Diverted from his journey, he realized that he had avoided a trap that had been laid for him just ahead. Since that time, cats have been considered wise and lucky spirits. Many Japanese shrines and homes include a figurine of a cat with one pay upraised as if waving-hence Kami Neko. Problem is, I don't know which emperor. Help? Chris 02:00, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

Article says "landlord". Modern Chinese culture ignores the whole thing and just sees it as dragging in money. Some thorough history of the original legend would be nice, yes, but it's probably in Chi- or Japanese. 101.229.79.243 (talk) 00:16, 11 February 2012 (UTC)

Cat sacrifice[edit]

" It is unclear why, but researchers theorize that some cats may have been sacrificed to honor Bast."

If that's the case, why was killing cats punishable by death? --DrBat 01:40, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

Indeed. Added {fact} to statement Mon Vier 15:40, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
Meh. Sacrifice and murder are different. Of course, citations are always important, regardless. 101.229.79.243 (talk) 00:17, 11 February 2012 (UTC)

Vague statement[edit]

I removed the following because none of the alleged 'ancient religions' are identified, let alone any sources given. If this information, properly sourced, can be provided, by all means re-instate it. Mon Vier 11:45, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

Several ancient religions believe that cats are exalted souls, companions or guides for humans, that they are all-knowing but are mute so they cannot influence decisions made by humans.

Muezza???!!![edit]

I have removed the Muezza story completely. I consider myself to be a very well -educated Arab Muslim guy and I have never heard of such a thing (and I don't think I know anyone who would turn out to have). Anyone who is really interested in this issue and thinks the story is authentic: Will you please provide us with an Arabic Islamic source that is generally accepted by Muslims? The story, especially the bowing part, is too much to handle, and the Chinese thing mentioned afterwards may actually explain its origin. --AMSA83 18:51, 7 May 2007 (UTC)


Here : Cats in Islamic Culture - Luc Delorme 66.36.155.207 00:31, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

hay guys i've never heard of this so i deleted it???!!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.105.36.122 (talk) 02:04, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

History[edit]

Wheres the history? This read like Cats in Mythology Except in Egypt, maybe its just mean but when I see something called history of I expect dates, events, maybe a fancy timeline, you know HISTORY. Personally, I think a history article for a species that hasn't learned to write is stupid, a Cats in Popular Culture or Cats in Mythology article makes alot more sense and falls inline with other animal articles alot more. If you aren't going to change it to make sense, you might try adding history (get the hint), when specific species first started showing up, when we started using them to draw chariots, when figured it was stupid and stopped (apparently you need to be a goddess, and I bet she still has problems getting them to turn together, herding cats, almost as bad as getting wikipedia working), historical stuff as it pertains to cats. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.137.207.191 (talk) 13:13, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Removed that nonsense about it being part of the Scientology ceremony to give a cat to the bride. As far as I read (which was everything with the three letters put together as cat), it merely suggests that a wife needs stability, frying pans, combs, dishes, a house cat. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.137.207.191 (talk) 13:17, 2 April 2008 (UTC) Freyja had 2 hads draw her chariot so shes strongly associated with them? Need a bit more than that for that assertion, her brother rode a metal boar made by dwarves, he ain't no Viking god of (metal) boars. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.137.207.191 (talk) 13:25, 2 April 2008 (UTC) Black cats and familiars are, according the the Familiars article, not suspect until the 1500 witch trials, Greymalkin was also from well after the middle ages, I'm moving it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.137.207.191 (talk) 13:31, 2 April 2008 (UTC) I removed that garbage about the plagues, get a reliable source, its, as stated previously, "internally inconsistent with Wikipedia's own account of the Black Death", unless the Black Death changed since last I looked. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.137.207.191 (talk) 13:38, 2 April 2008 (UTC)


I don't think this article should be moved from History of cats. --WikiCats (talk) 12:04, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

I agree, this article is mostly folklore, not history. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.229.175.154 (talk) 23:45, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

TIMELINE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!![edit]

Seriously, why not put in a nice timeline? This article needs to be COMPLETELY rewritten. I wish I could do it, because apparently people have been bitching about this article since 2005, and no one's done anything to it. Could someone please fix this?! (ADD A TIMELINE!!!!)

I will proboble not add a time line, but I will do my best to clean thing up.--Talon (talk) 17:17, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Why is there only a negative relationship with cats mentioned in the European portion? It wasn't all negativity, after all they wouldn't have been there in the first place if they weren't kept as pets and pest control. Also, why isn't it mentioned that cats are used for food in many parts of Asia? That's something that can actually be sourced and verified. Not these myths and old wive's tales. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.98.88.173 (talk) 12:59, 27 August 2008 (UTC) i also agree —Preceding unsigned comment added by 166.216.160.76 (talk) 23:16, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

Subject matter of article[edit]

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was page moved. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 21:03, 5 November 2009 (UTC)


History of catsCultural depictions of cats — This article is really about cat culture and folklore through the ages rather than history per se. I am not saying there shouldn't be an article on the history of cats, but this ain't it. My suggestion would be to move this to Cultural depictions of cats. Casliber (talk · contribs) 14:25, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

Support[edit]

  1. Casliber (talk · contribs) 20:06, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
  2. Kpstewart (talk) 02:10, 29 October 2009 (UTC)
  3. -- Quiddity (talk) 17:54, 29 October 2009 (UTC)
  4. ErgoSumtalktrib 21:59, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
  5. Agreed. Regards, --—Cyclonenim | Chat  15:43, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

Oppose[edit]

Discussion[edit]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Moar![edit]

I can has meme references? -- 71.81.249.255 (talk) 23:53, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

Agreed
This article needz moar memez — Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.241.230.92 (talk) 11:45, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

Enya?[edit]

"Cats are renowned worldwide for their hatred of Enya" -- Is this statement a joke? A reference to Sleepwalkers, maybe? I suggest removal. 71.60.227.208 (talk) 07:02, 29 November 2011 (UTC)

Indeed. WP:NOTBLUE, people. 101.229.79.243 (talk) 00:21, 11 February 2012 (UTC)

Pets[edit]

“Textbooks today still make silly statements that schizophrenia has always been around, it’s about the same incidence all over the world, and it’s existed since time immemorial,” he says. “The epidemiology literature contradicts that completely.” In fact, he says, schizophrenia did not rise in prevalence until the latter half of the 18th century, when for the first time people in Paris and London started keeping cats as pets. The so-called cat craze began among “poets and left-wing avant-garde Greenwich Village types,” says Torrey, but the trend spread rapidly—and coinciding with that development, the incidence of schizophrenia soared.
"How Your Cat is Making You Crazy", The Atlantic

So, first off, T. gondii's affects on human behavior should probably be noted somewhere in the article. Second, if a more thorough source could be found, the rise of cats as beloved, useless middle-class pets as opposed to demonic portable mouse traps should certainly be included. Modern cat culture is quite different from the European one discussed here; for that matter, Japan's fascination with them seems to be different post-kawaii from before. 101.229.79.243 (talk) 00:26, 11 February 2012 (UTC)