Talk:Cultured meat

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In vitro -> Cultured?[edit]

A unilateral attempt was made to update the term from 'in vitro' to cultured throughout the article.

Whilst I agree it was too bold and lacking in consensus, I think it's a change that should be considered. What do other people thing? Deku-shrub (talk) 21:10, 25 March 2016 (UTC)

I don't know who previously did that, but I just changed in vitro to cultured again and then saw the recommendation to use the talk page for changes like that. 'Cultured' is the term that's been used by Dr. Mark Post himself and other companies/academic researchers involved in this research area. There was also the first international symposium on cultured meat this last summer, which obviously used the term 'cultured meat.' I included this as the reference for the definition on cultured meat that I amended, but 'cultured meat' is also used here http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2095311914608844, among a lot of other journal articles. What do people think? I've not a big wikipedia editor so sorry if changing the page name wasn't proper etiquette... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zassenhausmeera (talkcontribs) 14:30, 10 June 2016 (UTC)

Also called "synthetic meat"?[edit]

Isn't it also called synthetic meat? If this is the case it should be added to the synonyms at the start of the lead.

Exemplary usage of the term: [1] (it might still be misused or underused to list it there; this is why I'm asking here) --Fixuture (talk) 19:53, 11 July 2016 (UTC)

Go add it. It's actually the term I use when I promote the term Deku-shrub (talk) 23:02, 11 July 2016 (UTC)

Merger proposal[edit]

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The result of this discussion was to merge. (NAC) —Granger (talk · contribs) 12:47, 28 November 2016 (UTC)

The article clean meat was recently created by a new user TucsonVegan (talk · contribs). As the naming of this topic may be controversial, and there is some new content on the page, I am posting this here for discussion. I propose merging Clean meat to Cultured meat as the naming is more neutral. Darylgolden(talk) Ping when replying 02:12, 8 September 2016 (UTC)

Yep, merge it in Deku-shrub (talk) 18:55, 8 September 2016 (UTC)
I definitely suggest merging it, clean meat as a phrase is more a marketing technique and isn't how it is referred to by the vast majority of people in the industry MikeSelden24 (talk) 16:15, 19 September 2016 (UCT)
Agree with merging, but keeping a redirect to this page. Josephguillaume (talk) 08:29, 29 September 2016 (UTC)

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Changing the first sentence[edit]

The first sentence now contains six(!) alternative names. WP:LEADCLUTTER suggests that "if there are more than two alternative names, these names can be moved to and explained in a "Names" or "Etymology" section; it is recommended that this be done if there are at least three alternate names." Nomenclature discussion is already a section at the bottom of this article, I think we should move it to the top, and move the alternative names from the lead to there. Thoughts? Greg (talk) 18:58, 21 September 2017 (UTC)

New problem: all the terms with a positive connotation were kept in the lead while the others were relegated to the nomenclature section. This violates WP:NPOV. As such, I re-added "synthetic meat" in the lead. we also need to add that the meat industry is currently contesting the use of the word "meat" when referring to clean meat, and lobbying the government so that only products from animal may be called "meat". Emass100 (talk) 08:29, 8 June 2018 (UTC)

Further developments[edit]

I would like to see two developments in this article:

  • Nuancing of the different terms used in the discussion of synthetic substrates called 'cultured meat' - since these terms become 'siloed' as different groups work on, discuss, obsess on some nuances over others.
  • Silo-ing of the discussions on meat replacements, since moral, personal, and social objections to some research and development directions allows those with those objections to focus other 'directions' that avoid those objections (e.g. plant-based meats, etc.). However, the use of GMO ingredients, heme molecule-splitting technologies, the array of concerns around testing meat on animals shape many discussions. MaynardClark (talk) 01:29, 18 February 2018 (UTC)

Re-Name request received[edit]

Copied from Proposed Mergers Noticeboard:
Rename or merge Cultured_meat with [[2]]. Currently [[3]] redirects to Cultured_meat, however Clean Meat is the modern term of choice, and all content should be listed in a Clean Meat entry rather than a one for Cultured Meat.--ADLangille (talk) 14:50, 3 June 2018 (UTC)

Discuss below. GenQuest "Talk to Me" 16:05, 3 June 2018 (UTC)
  • Oppose Clean meat seems to be the marketing name in the US, but not necessarily in global use, nor is it descriptive, unambiguous or neutral on the topic. If that changes in a year or so, we can reconsider. Arnoutf (talk) 16:13, 3 June 2018 (UTC)
  • Oppose per @Arnoutf: and those in the rename request above. I really hate it when the population buys in to the big marketing pushes of a new, improved, better "terms" or "labels." GenQuest "Talk to Me" 16:27, 3 June 2018 (UTC)
  • Oppose That's a new and commercial term, not a common term. Deku-shrub (talk) 16:38, 3 June 2018 (UTC)
  • Oppose Personally, I don't believe that EITHER term is good for what is being done. I'd say for right now that two different articles would be better, but maybe my thinking is orthogonal to the thinking of many others. So, for now, call my vote an Oppose.MaynardClark (talk) 05:41, 4 June 2018 (UTC)
@MaynardClark, just out of curiosity, what would you think describes what is being done best in a short understandable phrase. (Personally, I do get cultured meat as the end product is meat, and it is based on a cell culture.) Arnoutf (talk) 06:48, 4 June 2018 (UTC)
Comment: While the article raises some interesting topics (i.e. confusion between yogurt cultured and cultured meat), it also raises reasons not to relabel it for the time being. Particularly, that the term is favoured by supporters of the product (including the authors of the article). The article is also non-critical on the term, and does seem to present a US centric position. The comparison clean energy is not less problematic than the yogurt culture cultured-meat in my personal opinion, as you can clean any meat (by washing it) while this makes no sense for energy. So in my opinion the term clean meat would replace one possible confusion with another.
My suggestion would be to wait discussing name change until there is at least an order of magnitude more reports favouring the new term, rather than the 42% now reported (which could easily be caused by media power of supporters) Arnoutf (talk) 07:09, 6 June 2018 (UTC)
  • Oppose because "clean meat" is a blatantly promotional term, and would compromise the neutrality of this article. we need to remember that "cultured meat" is also a term the industry came up with to better sell their products. I would support changing the name back to "in-vitro meat", as it is a term with neither a positive nor a negative connotation, and has similar google search trends as "cultured meat". Emass100 (talk) 08:38, 8 June 2018 (UTC)