Talk:Cyber Monday

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Error in Citation[edit]

Date wrong in ^ "Amazon.de bringt Cyber Monday nach Deutschland". Amazon.de. http://www.presseportal.de/pm/8337/1709547/amazon_de_gmbh. Retrieved 2011-11-03. ... it is only 2010, not 2011 yet!

Citations[edit]

Chris, I'm not sure what to do about your "lack of citations" comment. The links at the bottom of the article are pretty authoritative. Are you suggesting that they should be integrated in some other fashion?

The bottom line is that Cyber Monday was created by Shop.org, and received a bunch of press. Referencing Shop.org and the appropriate press discussions is about all you can do.

Dave

Dave, yes, the references should be in-line citations, rather than just listed as "external links". External links tend to be for additional reading, for one thing: Here is information on citation style: Wikipedia:Citing_sources. Additionally, please sign your talk page comments by adding four tildes (~~~~). Thanks, Chris Griswold () 16:04, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Problem with tone and unsourced information - information moved from article[edit]

I've removed the following template/tag and unsourced information from the article:

When the term "Cyber Monday" was created in November 2005, the mainstream media picked up the term and reported as if "Cyber Monday" had been a long-running concept. [citation needed]

"Cyber Monday" is often associated with the unfounded belief that it is the busiest (highest sales volume) shopping day of the year for online retailers, because people would continue shopping while at work from the company's computer. This notion is based on the fact that in the late 1990s and early 2000s most people did not have broadband connections at home and used the first day back at work from the long Thanksgiving weekend to take advantage of such connections in the office to do online shopping. Given that most people who do online shopping now have broadband-speed access at home, many retailers have started to encourage people to do their online shopping from home on Thanksgiving itself by offering on their websites many of the Black Friday sales offered at the actual store locations the next day.


Given the number of good sources cited in the article, and the ease of finding more (a Google search provides excellent ones, right upfront), I invite other editors to add back whatever of the above text that they can also cite a source for. The article doesn't need this unsourced text as is; it has enough information now to be quite useful to readers. (And there is more in the cited sources that could be added.) -- John Broughton (♫♫) 21:55, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

Attaching the term "Propaganda"[edit]

Take from the Wikipedia propaganda page:

"Propaganda is a form of communication aimed at influencing the attitude of a community toward some cause or position. As opposed to impartially providing information, propaganda in its most basic sense, presents information primarily to influence an audience."

I am reinserting the term since the term, by definition, fits the article.

Nougat77 (talk) 17:06, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

I disagree. The term "propaganda", in English, is inherently loaded and perjorative. Every political speech would count as "propaganda" by the definition you use, but we don't describe Lincoln's Second Inaugural, for example, as "pro-Union propaganda". The article would be just as informative without that word, and using the word signals a non-neutral point of view right at the top.
I won't remove the word myself (I don't want this to be an edit war), but I encourage other editors to weigh in... -- Narsil (talk) 18:03, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
Third opinion: I've removed "propaganda" from the lead sentence. Narsil basically covered it above, but I'll just add that the word doesn't add anything to the article. All it's really doing is attempting to push a point of view. Having said that, if we could find a source that says that Cyber Monday is somehow propaganda, then maybe we could discuss its reinclusion. — HelloAnnyong (say whaaat?!) 18:11, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
After reading through the discourse, I agree. Let's keep the article free of a particular point of view. PS @Narsil: You may need to survey people from different parts of the US on the Lincoln issue ;) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nougat77 (talkcontribs) 02:14, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

Did it ever occur to you...[edit]

...that excessive online shopping on Cyber Monday has caused Internet connection problems at night? It may not have anything to do with the cable or the router, if you know what I mean. --Angeldeb82 (talk) 15:41, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

Isn't it most correct to say that Cyber Monday is the Monday following Thanksgiving? Right now it's cumbersome to say it's the Monday after the Friday which is Black Friday. That can be appended, but the shortest way to say it is best. The Monday after Thanksgiving. User IP 24.176.201.122. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.176.201.122 (talk) 16:38, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

Vandalism[edit]

Page was targeted for vandalism today. Fixed it, but may happen again. See EDIT history or click here for vandalized version and search the page for "vagina": http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Cyber_Monday&oldid=524960297 --Calcobrena (talk) 15:25, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

BBC R4 Quotation[edit]

BBC Radio 4 News this morning stated that the UK Cyber Monday was due to it being after the last "pay day" before christmas. Linked with the existing quote of Guardian saying it 'commonly falls on the same day' are the two calculated differently? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.58.54.198 (talk) 12:36, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

Egypt?[edit]

Thanksgiving isn't observed in Egypt, and there's no concept of Black Friday or Cyber Monday. There isn't a 'sales-season'. Prices are actually jacked-up during the holiday seasons (for example during Fitr and month of Ramadan before it)

Christmas in December is also very weakly observed, because Copts (native Egyptian Christians) observe it in January.

Should it be removed, or just add a {{citation needed}}? --Abderrahman (talk) 13:16, 2 December 2013 (UTC)

Numbers for 2013[edit]

Here are the numbers for this year: http://www.comscore.com/Insights/Press_Releases/2013/12/Cyber_Monday_Jumps_18_Percent_to_1735_Billion_in_Desktop_Sales_to_Rank_as_Heaviest_US_Online_Spending_Day_in_History

(I can't seem to be able to get confirmed as an editor.) Done. Barbabob (talk) 10:48, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

problems with overall tone of article, lack of objectivity.[edit]

for the most part, despite certain citations, most of the article reads like an opinion piece, rather than an authoritative history.

references to when "cheap deals on technology", or opinion on what amounts to a "marketing tool" don't have the objectivity that one would expect from a simple description of historical facts as to the origin or "cyber monday".

furthermore, unless the reader/author is 12 years old, anyone who has used the (still relatively young) internet from near its truly viable beginnings (circa early/mid 90's) then one remembers first hearing the term "cyber monday" in the late 90's/very early 00's as a reference to the time when most (virtually all) people had slow internet connections at home. therefore, as the theory went, they chose to do online shopping when they returned to work on monday where they had faster, more reliable connections. whether or not that actually occurred to a significant degree, it nevertheless became the basis for referencing said "cyber monday". as for the "official" beginning of the term in 2005, well, that's quite late even if there wasn't the initial use of the phrase that i just described. perhaps the origin date from that marketing executive was simply their way of remembering when it started to be used as a marketing tool.

either way, this article should be improved. greatly.

Patric627 (talk) 15:56, 1 December 2014 (UTC)