Talk:Cybertron

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I thought it was Hot Rod/Shot who opened the Matrix?

Cybertron: a bland article[edit]

Transformers has over 20 yrs of various stories released. Many artisits have differences in what Cybertron may look like, its orgin, or the specific capabilities of it facilities. These artisic liberties leaves the article fragmented and conflicting.

The common theme to all of the stories referring or taking place on Cybertron is that it is composed of layers of enigmatic lost knowledge. Its texture has always been of epic mystery, no matter who is writing the story. I would like to see a unifying theme to the setting with the introduction. Describe the common feeling of a place setting before the lists of trivia. William mccuan 15:59, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

Dreamwave section[edit]

This was incredibly bland and worded in a way that gives a very wrong impression of what happened in the actual series. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.205.126.151 (talk) 18:23, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

Feel free to contribute to the article and make it better. --Kraftlos (Talk | Contrib) 10:28, 19 December 2009 (UTC)

Merge discussion[edit]

I don't think it's necessary to have so manhy articles on the different versions of one fictional planet. No need to indiscriminately write about so much stuff. NotARealWord (talk) 13:41, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

I agree it should be merged but this article needs to be trimmed of miscellaneous information and needs to be supported with reliable third person sources like many of the transformers articles. Dwanyewest (talk) 14:09, 4 September 2010 (UTC)
I merged the Beast Era and Unicron Trilogy articles into the main article, and updated the links accordingly. The Marvel Comics and animated series information may still be long enough to warrant their own individual articles. Fortdj33 (talk) 18:26, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
If it's too long to all condense into one article, then there's just too much fancruft. Wikipedia only has one article on the planet Krypton. NotARealWord (talk) 17:14, 10 September 2010 (UTC)
Merge, all three remaining Cybertron articles. --Khajidha (talk) 20:58, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
Merge everything. On character articles it's okay sometimes because there are multiple incarnations and keeping it all on one page would result in a horribly long article. But here we've got multiple articles on one planet. We only need one. --Divebomb (talk) 06:05, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

Merge with Primus[edit]

Cybertron and Primus are the exact same thing. Can't see how it would be otherwise. For the continuities which Cybertron appeared but not Primus, I think there was somehting about how all Cybertrons are Primus, even if they don't show it. NotARealWord (talk) 18:04, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

I'm not sure. Seems like a merge would be hard to implement and would result in clutter. --Divebomb (talk) 18:23, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
I don't know how any source could establish them as notable subjects, separate from one another due to the whole "exactly the same thing" issue. Any coverage of Cybertron is directly coverage of Primus, and vice-versa. NotARealWord (talk) 18:27, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
I did not object to the merge, I only said it would be hard to implement. --Divebomb (talk) 18:33, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
Regardless of that, i still should state my reasons for merging. Other people are likely gonna discuss this. NotARealWord (talk) 18:35, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
I'm not in favor of this. One is a planet, the other a character. It would be like merging articles on God and Earth. Have all the Cybertron articles beem merged already? That should be done first. Mathewignash (talk) 18:37, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
Your rationale is completely ridiculous. Does it say somewhere in the Bible that God turns into Earth? No, I didn't think so. --Divebomb (talk) 18:40, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
Okay, let's say merging the article on Gaia and Earth would be wrong. Mathewignash (talk) 19:20, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
"Gaia" is a character from Greek mythology. "Earth" is the astronomical object. NotARealWord (talk) 19:45, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
So we agree they should NOT be merged. Sorta like a fictional character and a fictional astronomical object should not be merged. Mathewignash (talk) 20:48, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

Ignash,

  1. Wikipedia is not a democracy. Simply saying that you oppose something isn't going to stop it unless you have a solid argument.
  2. Did you even read my reason? The character is the friggin planet. Primus=Cybertron. Unlike many TF articles, the issue here is that they are the same thing covered under more than one article, instead of one article covering different things that share a name.
  3. What religion teaches God=Earth?
  4. No reason not to propose another merge while another one is going on. Even if they can't perform this one immidiately, at least we can decide whether or not to do this one. Any work can be put of indefinitely. (see WP:VOLUNTEER)

-NotARealWord (talk) 18:45, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

Sorry, I was under the impression you were asking for opinions. Mathewignash (talk) 18:47, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
Solid arguments are what's necessary, not opinions. NotARealWord (talk) 18:52, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
I just stated my take on things and you jump down my throat. This is supposed to be a friendly discuss section. A proposal was made. If you want to get the change then help explain it better. If they were merged I'd like to know what you'd propose calling the page (just "Cybertron"?)... would it have a section for the Primus character? I'd still say merge all the Cybertron pages FIRST, then work on the Primus section after, but again, my opinion. Mathewignash (talk) 19:17, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
There's nothing wrong with putting off any of the ongoing merging, or putting off this one. Just because there's still more merging to do,doesn't mean we can't discuss another one. Wikipedia work is for whoever is willing to do it. About what the article should look like,yes the Cybertron article should have a section called "Primus" or somesuch. NotARealWord (talk) 19:40, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
Anyways, I don't think it's established that in all fiction Primus IS Cybertron. In the first appearance, Primus lived deep inside Cybertron. When he appeared later in the Marvel series he was as an energy being standing over the planet. It wasn't until the Japanese Galaxy Force series that they made Primus into the planet itself... and we haven't seen it since then either. In many series Cybertron is just a planet and Primus is the name of a fictional god for the Transformers. Primus has had 2 toys. One is a planet, the other is a gold SUV. Mathewignash (talk) 19:48, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
Now that is more of an argument. NotARealWord (talk) 19:51, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
I think it makes sense to complete the previous merges first, especially as they are more related to the subject of the article than Primus seems to be. To that end, I have merged part of the Cybertron (The Transformers) article. Not all of it came across, but if anyone finds anything useful there, they are welcome to merge it across too. --Malkinann (talk) 20:37, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
I'm asking whether it should be merged. When to do so is entirely up to who decides to merge. Seriously, "merge the other Cybertron articles first" doesn't tell me whether or not Primus deserves a separate article. NotARealWord (talk) 20:44, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
Okay, then NO, I don't think it should be merged. Reason: Primus is a fictional character, and Cybertron is a planet he sometimes is found in, sometimes not. They are seperate subjects. Mathewignash (talk) 20:47, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
I am not a transformers fan. The only transformer I could name off the top of my head prior to all the AFDs was Optimus Prime. If the other merges, merges which are more related to Cybertron are performed, I can better understand where Primus fits in and comment informedly. Currently, this article does not show Cybertron's notability according to the WP:GNGs. --Malkinann (talk) 20:51, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
I'm against the merging of Primus and Cybertron. I don't think "Primus and Cybertron are the exact same thing" is at all true. Like User:Mathewignash said, one is a fictional character, and the other is a planet he's sometimes found in. I can't see how someone would see the two as entirely identical concepts. JIP | Talk 05:18, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
Cybertron is the physical body of Primus. I'm not that adamant towards merging (suggested merge, not demanded merge), but Cybertron and Primus are the same thing (with no canon material explicitly stating otherwise), just viewed as a setting/location and character respectively. NotARealWord (talk) 06:35, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
Just because a Transformers continuity retcons Cybertron into being the physical body of Primus doesn't mean the two are exactly identical concepts. Cybertron was invented in the first episode of the original TV show. Primus was invented by Simon Furman in the UK comic. That alone makes the two concepts distinct from each other. JIP | Talk 13:57, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
I think I understand your argument. Although I'm pretty sure retcons can go across continuities. Relatedly, Unicron's origin in the original cartoon was just waaaaayy different from subsequent ones, almost to the point that cartoon Unicron could be an entirely different character,being simply an evil giant robot instead of an Eldritch abomination. But, if consensus is against merging, there's notmuch I can do about it. NotARealWord (talk) 11:51, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

Better picture needed[edit]

I'm not happy with the opening picture of the planet. I think we can do a lot better, by using something from the original comics or TV series. The article itself says the appearance is quite different in the film, and especially since since this was made around 25 years afterwards, and does not stick to the original story, there's no need to include it here, definitely not right at the top.

[1] [2] [3] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.191.160.108 (talk) 23:39, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

Some wikilinks[edit]

I think the following should be converted to links as follows:

I also think some of the longer sections could do with sub-headings (eg 1.1 Marvel) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.191.160.108 (talk) 00:09, 10 May 2013 (UTC)

Gravity on Cybertron[edit]

In the 'Transformers: Generation 1' section it states that: "Cybertron is described in the first issue of the Marvel comic book as being the size of Saturn, which would logically mean it possessed incredibly dense gravity, and yet it did not, possibly as a result of its hollow structure, honeycombed as it is by tunnels". However it is not logical that a planet the size of Saturn would possess incredibly dense gravity considering that both Saturn and Uranus have weaker gravity than Earth. Gravity is determined by mass, which concerns density, not size. The sentence needs to be changed.FillsHerTease (talk) 10:51, 31 August 2014 (UTC)

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