Talk:Cylon (reimagining)

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The Final Five[edit]

Speculation converges based on D'anna Biers apology and the unstated rule that Cylons skin jobs are not really attracted to other Cylons but only to humans.

Colonel Tigh -- maximum irony, D'anna had some interaction in his torture on New Caprica
Cassie -- irony and Tyrol batting 1.000, plus D'anna had some involvement with arrest
Sam -- Cylon-human pairing Starbuck; Caprica rebel insider; clean way for Starbuck-Apollo future
"Dee" Dualla -- works as Cylon-human pairing; cleanup for Starbuck-Apollo; suspicious Cylon tracking of fleet (one "accident" in open)
Tom Zarek -- Actor baggage from originals series; Cylon influence on Colonial masses; documented reasons for missing time in personal history; Cylon access to blackmarket routes especially how nuke moved from Baltar to the tortured #6
Cally - Killed off by Tori (One of the Final Five) Irony that would make Nicholas the 1st Cylon-Cylon Child and SciFi.com Has not updated her on cast. Shorter Person in the Surreal image Made by D'Anna. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 214.13.248.180 (talk) 12:27, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Protected by plot events

Laura Roslin -- cancer and prophecy involvement
Helo -- fertile pairing with Cylon
Tyrol -- pairing with known Cylon; fertile with likely Cylon; prophecy interpreter, etc Revealed as one of the final five
Starbuck -- has Cylon stalker; multiple prophecy involvements (navigator as in Odyssey), etc
Tigh's wife -- other Cylons should know if she resurrected
Yup. John Cavil did. Oooh, not so protected, huh? THIS is why we don't speculate.96.225.212.89 (talk) 14:13, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

Just too weird

Adama -- if Cylon what the hell are they thinking
Apollo -- similar questions when he was long in command of battlestars etc
Point may be made about the fact that they have an extensive family in human terms. However "In charge of a Battlestar" quite clearly does not matter. "So is my XO"96.225.212.89 (talk) 14:13, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

Possible

Gaeta -- could swap with Dualla as Cylon especially as there was an early interest in Dualla, but doesn't seem to be strong interacting character

69.23.120.164 17:07, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Oh, totally not *mrrrph* I'm reading through all this thinking "You guys should have really shut up while you were ahead"96.225.212.89 (talk) 14:13, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
Note that the rule you're basing this on (humanoid Cylons are "not really" attracted to other Cylons) is something the writers can change whenever they want, and has been semi-violated by the Baltar-Six-D'Anna threesome. It's not strong or well-founded enough to base any solid theories on. Also, involvement in prophecies absolutely does not preclude a character from being a Cylon. Who says figures spoken of in human prophecies must be humans, and figures spoken of in Cylon prophecies (or whatever) must be Cylons?
Anyway, this is all pure speculation right now, and while I find it an interesting subject, this talk page is really about the content of article, not predictions about the show.
--Fru1tbat 17:17, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Sorry I figured the identity of the remaining Cylon skin jobs, rules of operations and what clues have been dropped was fair game.

The rule about Cylon skin jobs only being fertile with humans is an important fact

Ooooh! Sucks to be that wrong, huh? 96.225.212.89 (talk) 14:13, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

though and it has been explicitly stated.

Where? 96.225.212.89 (talk) 14:13, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

Helo can't be a Cylon. Though the writers can change anything in the story if they want (heck the Galactica could turn out to be Cylon built though it would be a hard sell).

You are right on whether the actual attractions of Cylon to humans is a firm rule. Though #6 once mentioned something along that line to Baltar (curiosity and reproduction), that may be only Caprica 6's opinion. Such an operational rule has not been stated by the writers in interviews. But so far...

The threesome doesn't really say that there is a Cylon-Cylon attraction only a willingness to attempt sharing. If there was an lesbian Cylon-Cylon attraction, #6 sure didn't show that protectiveness at the vote to shut the D'anna model down. In fact I thought the relationship Cylon-to-Cylon was more and more about jealousy. Another words the more typical basis and progression of threesomes.

Also I have considered the idea that the Cylons are in fact the vehicle of prophecy or at least forcing prophecy to come true and Cylon-human attraction being specious. But that would then tend to say Starbuck, Laura, Tyrol and likely Adama and Apollo are merely herdmasters for the Colonial rabble. Why? Altruism to creators/God to save some Colonials from a nearby supernova? Hard to figure out if the show says anything about Cylon motivates yet in that case. In fact that route would tend to say many things on the main Cylon page are misperceptions and that Cylons are even bigger method actors than we thought. 69.23.120.164 17:49, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Well, that's somewhat accurate, even though it was your "unlikely" scenario. Gotta wonder if the commenters from two years ago have come back to read this again. If so, please, for your sake, stop slapping your forehead, you might wear through B^) 96.225.212.89 (talk) 14:13, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

"The Hybrids are played by Tiffany Lyndall-Knight"[edit]

This should be changed, as the Hybrid in Razor is played by an elderly male. KyuzoGator 01:12, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

The standard hybrids are played by Tiffany. The first prototype hybrid was played by ... ? 70.55.85.95 (talk) 04:33, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
...Campbell Lane. Added brief info about that into the article. Canez (talk) 17:01, 19 April 2008 (UTC)


Vulnerabilities[edit]

From the article: "It seems that members of the 'Final Five' do not share these vulnerabilities - Anders does not contract the virus when aboard the diseased basestar, and neither Tyrol nor Tigh suffer any ill effects when aboard Ragnar Anchorage (although their exposure was far less than Leoben's)."

Anders was never on the diseased basestar. Doral arrived at Ragnar shortly after Tyrol and Tigh did, and he didn't show any effects until long after they left. 98.164.64.171 (talk) 21:50, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

12[edit]

I was wondering if there should be inclusion of the link between 12 Cylon models, 12 apostles, and 12 Greek gods (tribes of Kobol)? This was utilized in the least for a promotional image of the Last Supper featuring the cast for Season 4. -66.109.248.114 (talk) 23:30, 5 April 2008 (UTC).

Not unless you want to link to every other bloody thing under @{%deity% ? %deity%'s : null} green Earth. I'm sorry, but "12 as special" permeates everything on earth just about, and might be significant except... every other number under eleven does as well.96.225.212.89 (talk) 14:00, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

notable 8s[edit]

There seem to be three notable 8's now... Boomer, Athena, and the leadership rep (whom we saw on Caprica as well...) 70.55.85.225 (talk) 06:01, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

numbering[edit]

1-6+8 .... seems to lead to #7 being somehow important, and probably the missing Final Five. Especially if you consider 8 did not know she was a deep agent in the fleet... like the Final Four. 70.55.85.225 (talk) 06:03, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

I'm leaning more toward TPTB not doing their math right and for the sake of the article I doubt there's any reason to mention it until and if it's addressed in the show. Canez (talk) 07:48, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
Not doing math right?? Come on! Any bunch of people capable of producing such a popular TV show will surely be skilled enough to count properly. It's a clear and obvious numbering anomaly that would never have gotten past the proof readers if it were an error. 86.21.12.202 (talk) 23:17, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

I always wondered about 7, and what importance it would have, but clearly they held this close to the chest as long as possible. In light of No Exit, the fact of there being _thirteen_ colonies was oft overlooked, in terms of meta-symbology. Clearly several sections of this entry will need updating... ----JTL 15:47, 14 February 2009 (UTC)


Yeah, 13 colonies = 12 + 1 (imaginary colonies + earth). 13 cylons = (9 - 1) + 5 (the first 8 enneagrams, minus Daniel + "the final five (all Nines)".

It might be interesting to look for parallels between the colonies and the cylon personalities. There's probably 1:1 mapping between cylon personalities and colony cultures. Haven't explored that too deeply, though.

The cylons are monotheistic (western), while the human colonies seem to have their own distinctive religious slants, some may be explicitly intended to represent various diverse cultures and religious philosophies.

Anyway, there's enough here to point to all this being well thought out, instead of a mistake. Clearly, the writers are deeply into classical mysticism and numerology.


anon —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.163.142.31 (talk) 14:48, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

History[edit]

I completely rewrote the section on their history as I thought it didn't really read that well. But I may have included too much information so it might need to be shortened. Canez (talk) 05:46, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but whatever you replaced must have been superior. This article is rife with speculation, typos, and high-school level grammar. I started editing, but I don't have the time to complete this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.203.194.207 (talk) 19:56, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

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Cylons' ability to recognise each other[edit]

Hi, sorry for my poor english. I was just thinking : shouldn't be this article also mentioning the ability that cylons have to distinguish a particular individual among a model, just by looking at him or her, although this individual is just a clone ?

As we've already seen in the show, humans seem to be unable to recognize a particular cylon individual, and can only recognise this individual as a member of a "model". This is also the case for centurions : when the number 8 "Athena" goes back on New Capprica during the human rescue mission (at the beginning of season 3), she's not recognized by centurions, and therefor not shot or arrested by them, although she's a known traitor to her own kind.

However, during her mission she meets a number 3 who recognizes her almost immediately.

The same phenomenon has been observed many times : - when both humans and cylons converge near the planet on which they discover the eye of Jupiter, a group composed of a 1, a 3 and an 8 comes aboard Galactica to negociate the right to retrieve the artefact. Athena is guarding the room in which the negociations are about to take place, and then instantaneously recognizes the 8 of the coming cylon group as the ressurected "Boomer", just by looking at her. Other humans, however, hadn't recognized her (even Saul Tigh, who is also a Cylon, but who wasn't aware of it at this time). - during the episode "downloaded", many other cylons pay their respect to the number 6 who has helped the cylons hacking the colonial defense main fraim before the attack (the six nicknamed as "Capprica"). They distinguish her without effort from the other 6s - at the beginning of season 4, when cylons are debating about the raiders' general lobotomy, an 8 comes to explain that she disagrees with the global opinion of her model. The 6 Nathalie (who is representing the 6s for this decision) identifies her immediately as "boomer", just at a glance.

How they do that is never explained in the show. But I think this would be interesting to mention it in the article, as an other "superhuman ability" of the cylons. I just can't add it myself in the article, since my english is not good enough.

I also had a question which has nothing to do with it : it's about the timing of resurrection of number 6 "Capprica-6". As we've seen in the serie, the ressurection of a cylon happens almost immediately after his death. Future 8 "Athena" mentions it when Kara Thrace comes on Capprica to retrieve the arrow of Appolo, and kills a 6 who attacked her : when seeing the dead body of the 6, Sharon says "Her consciousness is being downloaded to an other body right now" (or something like that), implying that the resurrection process of this 6 is just taking place at the moment. Other exemple : when 8 Athena asks Helo to kill her in order to be downloaded on the cylon ressurection ship to take her baby back, her ressurection happens very quickly after she's killed

But for Capprica-6, it's odd : she' killed just after the attack on the colonies (by protecting Baltar with her body when his house explodes), but the episode "downloaded" in which she comes back to life seems to happen long after those events (since Boomer informs her that now Baltar is the vice president of the survivors). If "downloaded" was taking place in fact long after the ressurection of Capprica-6, it means she would be having troubles with her feelings for Baltar and her second life for 10 months ! quite long, for a sort of nervous breakdown. And why the hell would then the other cylons be congratulating her for her actions just then, 10 months after her mission's success ?

I just don't get it. Do you ?

—Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.195.131.17 (talk) 18:57, 16 May 2008 (UTC) 

Kobolian Cylons[edit]

The Earther Cylons / Kobol Cylons should get mention, as they are a different type from the Colonial Cylons. The head of the robotic one also looks different. 76.66.198.171 (talk) 05:36, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

Well, there goes the article...[edit]

Whole article needs major rewrites after the revelations of the last episode.

  1. 1: There are thirteen models, including "Daniel"
  2. 2: The "Final Five" are really the "Original Five" skin jobs, and actually *designed* the other eight.
  3. 3: The primary motivation for destroying the humans is not religious, as John Cabble (#1) has rewritten his belief in god programming, and is primarily his manipulation of the rest of the cylons to destroy manking out of revenge for his own self-loathing for the form he was given by Ellen Tigh.
  4. 4: Cylons were not all created as cybernetic servants of the twelve colonies. A fair chunk of them are from Earth a thousand yahrens ago and it has not been revelned why they were made (nor has itt been made clear whether the Final/Original Five were actually cylon during their tenure on Earth, or whether they were humans who found a way to download into new Cylon bodies preparaed in orbit around Earth before beginning their subluminal voyage)

Of course, the article takes on a determinedly certain point of view -- a foolish endeavour in a show with this many sudden plot twists and startling revelations -- and as a result is thoroughly wrong throughout despite adherence to Wikipedia standards.

Almost makes me wonder if the guys who write BSG are as derisive of Wikipedia's "standards," and how said standards are an utter failure to go from concept to functional practice, as I am, and are thus in part motivated by an urge to "fuck with Wikipedia". I know I would be.96.225.212.89 (talk) 13:57, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

I doubt strongly that anyone was out to mess us up. This is simply a case of hindsight being 20/20. Now that the series is over, everything can be given a final once-over, corrected, and left for posterity. --BlueSquadronRaven 14:07, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

Cavil vs John[edit]

Someone has unfortunately proposed on this page that the character is John Cavil, suggesting that this is one name. However, my interpretation is that John is an alternative name for Cavil (not unlike the alternatives for the Six), and both are first names, as suggested by how the character has shed the "John" name and gone with Cavil, quite likely one he gave himself, as he shuns all from his creator. Meanwhile, the eager editor has also created a John Cavil page, further expanding on their assumption it is one name. This should be noted on the page. Echoniner (talk) 09:43, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

Although he is not referred to as such on the air, Ron Moore refers to the character as "John Cavil" in his podcast for "no Exit." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.40.212.28 (talk) 07:09, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

Head Six not a Cylon[edit]

This should have been clear enough long ago, but it should be ultra-clear after the final episode the Head Six is not a Cylon at all and thus not an instance of the Six model. She's something like an angel who appears to Baltar to look like the Six model. Saying she's an instance of the Six model is like saying Head Baltar is human because he looks like Baltar to Caprica Six. Parableman (talk) 21:02, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

Cylon numbering, Personalities, and Eastern Mysticism[edit]

Read up on Enneagrams and all will be revealed. Most of what is mysterious about the re-imagining is just due to the fact that most westerners are unfamiliar with eastern philosophy. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.163.142.31 (talk) 09:35, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

Number Six (Caprica-Six / Head Six / Shelley Godfrey / Gina Inviere / Natalie / Sonja)[edit]

Who is Sonja? The article doesn't tell. And does anybody know the name that Caprica Six used before the Cylon attack? Certainly Baltar didn't call her "Caprica Six".--Dvd-junkie (talk) 09:36, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

According to the Battlestar wiki, Sonja is the Six who was elected to the fleet's Quorum. I don't think Caprica Six's original name was ever mentioned in the series. 72.224.40.131 (talk) 23:30, 27 September 2009 (UTC)
If you take a peek at her own article, you'll see that there are two cited references to support the fact that Baltar actually never bothered to learn her name the entire time they were together prior to the attacks. Now, what name she was given/had chosen should he have asked is up in the air.--Bacteria (talk) 00:19, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

Minor problem in Number 7 section[edit]

The Number Seven (Daniel) section seems to have lost something in the wording at some point. The second-last sentence in the first paragraph reads "The Sevens were not mentioned again during Battlestar Galactica's remaining episodes." (emphasis added) This implies that there should be a reference to some episode earlier in the paragraph, but there isn't. I'm not a regular editor on this article, nor fan enough to know all this info, so I thought I'd mention it for someone else to fix. It might be in the page history, but with over 1000 edits, I didn't want to chance resurrecting the wrong info, even if I found it. —RobinHood70 (talkcontribs) 07:47, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

Origin of cylons[edit]

AFAICT Caprica changed the origin of the Cylons in such a way that it destroys the story of BSG. If Capricans invented Cylons, what happened to the 2,000 year journey made by the Final Five, Cylons all, from Earth to the Colonies? Without them, there is no resurrection ship and no skinjobs. (Caprica produced robots, not cyborgs.) Please correct me if I'm wrong, but otherwise, I'll update the article accordingly. I don't know why they didn't locate the prequel to Earth and show that part of the story. They could have called it the Thirteenth Tribe. Zoe, et. al., could have been included. Cheers! Lfstevens (talk) 20:37, 13 January 2016 (UTC)

I think the issue is a misunderstanding of what was described in BSG. As it was explained in BSG, the Thirteenth Tribe was composed of organic Cylons. It's implied that they had their own Cylon Centurions that rebelled, and caused the eradication of the original Cylons. The Original/Final Five were able to survive by downloading. They then travelled at sub-light speed to the Twelve Colonies, because they knew that humans would continue making artificial intelligence and they wanted to warn them to treat them well. Because the trip took thousands of years, they were too late, and the First Cylon War had already begun. This explanation is also in line with the whole "This has happened before, this will happen again" theme of the fourth season. They never got into a full history of how the Thirteenth Tribe Cylons came to be, but it was made clear that they were developed separately and independently from the Twelve Colony Cylons. So, Caprica doesn't negate BSG, it simply describes how the Twelve Colony Cylons were created. It has nothing to do with the Thirteenth Tribe Cylons.G1811 (talk) 17:43, 10 April 2016 (UTC)

Copyedit[edit]

Per the tag, I copyedited this. It was quite a mess. It is now shorter and quite different. Many points are still not linked to a specific episode, but I must leave that to an expert. Feedback encouraged. Cheers! Lfstevens (talk) 07:29, 14 January 2016 (UTC)

Fancruft rant...[edit]

I don't get why this crap was allowed on Wikipedia in the first place. Wikia is specifically made for things like this. They don't belong in an encyclopedia. Wikipedia as a whole needs to undergo a period of extreme deletionist policy. The amount of poor articles on unneccessary topics is staggering. If the energy spent on this crap were invested in improving actual encyclopedic content, great things would happen.   Pariah24    23:11, 8 June 2017 (UTC)