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Citation needed for the "1934 founding" claim[edit]

A while ago there was a discussion and an edit war between an IP editor and User:Tenebrae regarding the year of the establishment of the company. Tenebrae defended the "1934 founding" claim: "per article text, footnotes and citati[o]ns, it's 1934; please see references." I just intervened in the debate by switching the year to 1935 as per WP:BURDEN and WP:V. Tenebrae's claim is not satisfying for the following reasons: the article text of Wikipedia is not a reliable source, while the purported citation (Gerard Jones 2004) is not a real citation since no page number of/quotation from that book is given in the article to support the claim (the only citation that was ever provided by this article's editors is one to an unreliable and non-informative source (DC Comics Silver Age chronology). I do not actually doubt that Jones or Fifty Who Made DC Great may indeed give 1934; however, the burden to demonstrate verifiability lies with the editor who restores contentious material and verifiability involves a full citation to a reliable source (preferrably accompanied by a quotation). I myself provided the following source: Maggie Thompson, Michael Dean, Brent Frankenhoff, Joyce Greenholdt, John Jackson Miller (editors), Comics Buyer's Guide 1996 Annual, Krause Publications, 1995, p. 81: "Beginning as National Allied Publications in 1935 and becoming National Allied Newspaper Syndicate the next year, it changed to National Comic [sic] Publications in 1946 and National Periodical Publications in 1961..." --Omnipaedista (talk) 22:52, 2 June 2016 (UTC)

It's good to have discussion and I'll look into a properly done 1934. The fact that New Fun #1 had a Feb. 1935 date suggests 1934 is correct, given the lead time to buy, write, draw comic-book content. --Tenebrae (talk) 23:13, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
Your argument is plausible, Tenebrae.
Unfortunately, tertiary literature is not helpful: The Cambridge Companion to American Science Fiction, 2015, p. xix gives 1934 (but I wouldn't exclude the possibility that the editors copypasted the date from Wikipedia), The Oxford Companion to the Book, Vol.1, 2010, p. 627 contains factual mistakes ("Late in 1934, the New York-based National Allied Publications (later DC) launched ... a series consisting wholly of original comics, New Fun Comics..."), while the International Directory of Company Histories, Volume 25, 1999, p. 138 gives 1935; all of these sources do not cite their own sources and none of them is a source specialized in comics history. I suspect that the only helpful sources would be Jones 2004 and Fifty Who Made DC Great. The result of this discussion should also affect Malcolm Wheeler-Nicholson#New Fun and National Comics Publications#History. --Omnipaedista (talk) 23:56, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
Actually, Fifty Who Made DC Great does give 1934.[1] I'll check a couple more pre-Wikipedia things right now.--Tenebrae (talk) 00:44, 3 June 2016 (UTC)
Ron Goulart in his 1986 Ron Goulart's Great History of Comic Books says, "Sometime in the middle of 1934 the major...got a notion. ... After renting office space of Fourth Avenue, Nicholson began recruiting artists and writers and seeking financing. What he made in mind was a line of comic books that would feature nothing but original material. The company the major founded would eventually, under the name DC, earn countless millions."[2]
Benton in The Comic Book in America: An Illustrated History writes, "In the late fall of 1934, Major Malcolm Wheeler-Nicholson ... was carefully charting the appearances and sales of Famous Funnies.... [He] reasons that a comic book featuring original material would sell even beter than one reprinted from the Sunday pages. In February 1935, [his] New Fun Comics appeared from his company, National Allied Publications."[3] This seems to conflate cover date with on-sale date, but either way, it would have to have been 1934 in order to gather the material, art direct it, edit it, etc. Les Daniels similarly conflates in his authorized DC book, writing, "In February 1935, a writer known as Major Malcolm Wheeler-Nicholson determined the destiny of the American comic book when he launched a publication called New Fun, subtitled "The Big Comic Magazine." An image of the cover on the next page shows the cover date as "February, 1935."[4]
Good call on Jones' book — in his section on the Major starting the company and creating New Fun (p. 101-102), he gives no year at all.--Tenebrae (talk) 01:12, 3 June 2016 (UTC)
Thank you very much for sorting this out! --Omnipaedista (talk) 01:45, 3 June 2016 (UTC)
  1. ^ Marx, Barry, Cavalieri, Joey and Hill, Thomas (w), Petruccio, Steven (a), Marx, Barry (ed). "Major Malcolm Wheeler-Nicholson DC Founded" Fifty Who Made DC Great: 5 (1985), DC Comics
  2. ^ Goulart, Ron (1986). Ron Goulart's Great History of Comic Books. Chicago: Contemporary Books. p. 55. ISBN 0-8092-5045-4. 
  3. ^ Benton, Mike (1989). The Comic Book in America: An Illustrated History. Dallas, Texas: Taylor Publishing. p. 17-18. ISBN 978-0-87833-659-3. 
  4. ^ Daniels, Les (1995). DC Comics : Sixty Years of the World's Favorite Comic Book Heroes. Bulfinch. p. 14. ISBN 978-0821220764. 

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Article split[edit]

Why doesn't DC Entertainment have it's own page, like Marvel Entertainment? Or DC Films like Marvel Studios? DC's slate and portfolio is the same size as Marvel's so I don't see why everything is merged onto DC's comics page. I think it should be split to acknowledge DC's growing size and separate productions like Marvel, for organization's sake. The sections alone don't provide much detail and if more were added it'd be excessively detailed for a section. So splitting them off into their own pages makes sense. —Jman98 03:47, 28 July 2016 (UTC)

I'd not be adverse to that, but bear in mind that there was a DC Entertainment and it was merged in here because it was very poor on various fronts [1]. So you'd want to ensure you've got enough material and reliable sources to ensure that the article isn't merged back in here. Perhaps you might want to sandbox a version so we can see what it'd look like? Emperor (talk) 14:12, 10 October 2016 (UTC)

Merge[edit]

A proposal has been made to merge National Comics Publications into this article. I think the NCP article is fine (it could do with expanding out of a stub but there are plenty of sources) and this article is big enough in its own right. Emperor (talk) 14:12, 10 October 2016 (UTC)

The name DC Comics is redundant[edit]

DC literally means Detective Comics — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thetechwizard21 (talkcontribs) 04:07, 6 January 2017 (UTC)

It's their name regardless. Bataaf van Oranje (Prinsgezinde) (talk) 09:53, 5 April 2017 (UTC)

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