Talk:Daivadnya Brahmin

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Article issues[edit]

  • Missing page numbers in references: eg "Hindu Temples and deities" by Rui Pereira Gomes
  • Use of primary sources (see WP:PRIMARY): "Manusmruti", "Rajatarangini" by Kalhana. Wikipedia suggests use of secondary sources. See WP:REF for more info
  • There is too much emphasis on the gods: Religion should be one of the many sections. See Featured article Tamil people about sections that need to be added.
  • "Migrations from the mainland" should be merged in history as it is part of history. Write section in paragraph form, instead of list as it is now.
  • "Ancestral worship", "Math tradition and Sampradayas", "Ishta Devatas", "Gotravali and Kuldevtas" need to be merged in "Religion"

--Redtigerxyz Talk 05:37, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Issues[edit]

  • Very near to B but still not there. Wiki standards have increased considerably.
  • Previous issues haven't been resolved.
  • The most important part of any ethnic group article Culture is written in a very haphazard manner.
  • Article needs to be restructured. Sections need to be standardized.
  • List needs to be removed.
  • For a Reference B-class article, check Goan Catholics. KensplanetTC 14:05, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Notable[edit]

/* Notable Daivadnya Individuals */ *Ramesh Lotlikar (Supdt of police , Goa) , *Saresh Lotlikar (Senior Council, Goa), *Rahul Lotlikar must have wiki pages to be included under Notable. Notable is a reserved word of wiki. Must have wiki articles to be listed under notable. Localsales (talk) 00:02, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

About Daivajnas and Vaishavism,and the Samrtha Vaishnava conflict[edit]

In the book entitled “SRI VADIRAJA CHARITRE” more details are given which conclusively established that at no time the Daivajnya Brahmins had any mutt of their own nor a Mathadipathi of Swamier of Sode Mutt, Udupi and none else had any authority either to guide the members of Daivajnya Brahmin community in spiritual and religious matters, the principal idol of worship of His Holiness Sode mutt Swamier was given by a member of Daivajnya Brahmins, centuries back.Even today the Daivajnya Brahmins follow the Vaishnav Sampradaya in their Sandhyavandana. At Goa, there are the principal deities of Daivajnya Brahmins which are of Shiva and Shakti cult, truly Shiva is one of the different forms of Vishnu and the Vishnu Purusha Roopa is in the form of a Linga, which is a historic fact in the Purana’s (Epic’s) .daivajnya Brahmins are claimed as “SURYA VANSHI ARYA BRAHMAN’S”, as Lord Surya is one of the forms of Lord Vishnu, it is rightly said that Daivajnya Brahmins belong to the Vaishnav cult.With regard to the Gokarna case, fought in 1927 .The Smarth Brahmin’s of Gokarna with a view that the Daivajnya Brahmins would take over the Puja authority at Gokarna ,filed a case against the Daivajnya Brahmins at Kumta court (22.10.1927).The case from Kumta court reached Karwar ,Bombay high court and has proved that Daivajnya Brahmins belong to the Vaishnava Brahmin cult .

About Goan daivajnas[edit]

History says that Daivajnas in Goa did not adopt Vaishnavism in 13th century when Madhwacharya had visited Goa in 13th century,and till date Goan Daivajnas are Advaitis and follow all smartha traditions,it was only the diaspora in Karnataka that adopted Vaishnavism,and in history of Goan Daivajnas till date,there is not even a single mention saying they are Vaishnavites,nor did they have any spiritual leader,so above thing is not applicable to Goan Daivajnas who now follow Karki Math

Question[edit]

MAY I ASK U THE PROOF FOR THE NON ACCEPTENCE OF VAISHNAVISM —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sonar shet (talkcontribs) 20:03, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

u have mentioned only about goan daivajnya s .that itself says that u r history starts only from goa. wat about our history before that. does it say that daivajnya brahmins never existed before they came to goa.no one knows about our history in past before we entered the borders of goa ,nor there is a true evidence about our significant existence.u mean to say the daivajnya brahmins settled in karnataka and maharashtra does not come in ur history.. history should be universal. the ultimate truth and unbiased. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sonar shet (talkcontribs) 09:18, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

Answer[edit]

Goan Daivajnas never followed Vaishnavism now do they follow it till date,I belong to a Goan Daivajna family,even though our Kuldevata is Lakshmi we worship her in the form of Shakti and not as Vishnu's wife,and I am talking about only Goan Daivajnas who now follow Karki mutt,and you cannot force people to accept your views which are heavily biased,and Wikipedia is not a place to fight or argue about such things! so I request you not to edit articles with half knowledge,Kanara Daivajnas follow Vaishnavism and we do not have any problem with that,telling you for the last time,just by editing articles you cannot change history or facts.

Vaishnava conflict again[edit]

The newely constituted Karki mutt in karki is just created and controlled by a group of Daivajnya Brahmins who self acclaimed the new mutt and the new constituted swamier as the person who represents the whole Daivajnya Brahmin community. but in real he is just constituted only as the outcome of clashes of two Daivajnya groups. And the whole of south Karnataka including many parts of Maharashtra do not seem to have actually accepted him as thier spiritual pontiff.the Daivajnya Brahmins settled in south Karnataka and Daivajnya Brahmins who migrated to Maharashtra who call themselves as Kanara Daivajnyas ,till date follow the Madhwa tradition in their daily Pujas and Sandhyavandana customs applying Gopichandana with Madhwa Mudras

More[edit]

i have not mentioned anything about goan daivajnya brahmins.. even i have my kuladevatha in goa i.e shree shiroda kamakshi devi..my point is very clear. Daivajnya Brahmins from ancient times have never accepted any spiritual guru other than shree vadiraja swamiji of sode mutt only in 15 th century. Daivajnya Brahmins even dint accept Madhwacharya as thier guru because we dont have any proof for that, but a few families may have been accepted or influenced by his teachings.. Daivajnya Brahmins were nor advaithis of shankara tatva.. the worship of 5 dieties is very prominent but we cannot claim that i was influenced by Shankaracharya.. there is no records which claim that daivajnya brahmins have celebrated smartha dharma and applied bhasma . worshippin shiva alone cannot be claimed as smarthis.

  • The order of census department of 1981: 3. Mr. drew, superintend of the census of Bombay has ordered that the Daivajnya should write as Daivajnya Brahmins in the census and not as mere Daivajna, return accordingly, they are reported in the Brahmin class in 1891.”
  • Daivajnya Brahmins are claimed as “SURYA VANSHI ARYA BRAHMAN’S”, as Lord Surya is one of the forms of Lord Vishnu, it is rightly said that Daivajnya Brahmins belong to the Vaishnav cult.
  • With regard to the Gokarna case, fought in 1927 .The Smarth Brahmin’s of Gokarna with a view that the Daivajnya Brahmins would take over the Puja authority at Gokarna ,filed a case against the Daivajnya Brahmins at Kumta court (22.10.1927).The case from Kumta court reached Karwar ,Bombay high court and has proved that Daivajnya Brahmins belong to the Vaishnava Brahmin cult . The then Bombay census chief Mr. Drew has recorded the Daivajnya Brahmins as top class Brahmins.

A letter from Sodhe math pontiff[edit]

  • In the statement at the Gokarna case, the 33rd pontiff Shri Vishwadeesha Theertha of Sri Sode Vadiraja Mutt has described Daivajnya Brahmins as Mukhamasita Surya Vanshi Brahmins.
  • At Hosakeri village near Gokarna, the pontiff of Sode Mutt use to halt at the residence of Burde (Daivajnya Brahmin ) who was the village Patel (chieftain) of Hosakeri. With refrence,the proof of the letter written by the pontiff is as follows:

Shree Swasthi Srimad Udupi Sri Sonde Mutt Sri Vadiraja Guru Peetharoodha Srimad Vishwadheesha Thirtha Padangalauru,

Warm wishes to the Midaje Sime Gokarna shetgar Sanu,Mahabal shetti, Budhiwantha Subraya shetti ,Adigona shettigar ,Ram shetti, Durga shetti ,Shamanna shetti , Hosakeri Sham Appu shetti, Krishna Subraya shetti.

We are at the Admanandana Samvatsara Vaishaka Shudha and under penance, deeply busy with the Puja of Srimad Vadiraja, Shri Krishna, Sri Boovaraha ,Sri Hayagreeva and at the residence of shri Burde at Hosakeri.

In respect, this is to inform you that you are Mukhamasitha Daivajnya Suvarnakar Surya Brahmin, and attain the right of performing Yajna Karma and Shatkarma rituals . We may be able to make you satisfy by giving records of your existence in the Rigveda Purusha sukta ,Agni purana ,Skanda Purana, Manu Smrithi ,and Dharma Shastra etc. Daivajna vedamurthi Narayana Shanker Bhatta,Guddekagal taluk ,Kumta.

“Vishwabrahmakulothsaha” authored by Brahmasri. B.R. Kshirasagara –edition 6, page 139.

You are leading astray![edit]

You are leading astray! Panchayatana Puja was propagated only by Shankaracharya!and not anyone else,for sure they did not get patronage of any Shankar Matha in the past,nor did any other Brahmin community in Goa did,that does not mean that they did not know how to lead their life without any virtues,so I just wanna convey that Goan Daivajnas were not and are not Vaishnavas,and all the Daivajnas who had migrated to Karnataka have adopted Vaishnavism,lets end this discussion here! Thank you!


I would like to know about present situation,and relation of Kanara Daivajnas with sodhe math,and about Daivajnas who follow Madhwa religion!That would be of great help!

Gautamgoa1984 (talk) 13:33, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

Images[edit]

please insert the image of present pontiff of sode vadiraja mutt of udupi ,the guru mutt of daivajnya brahmins .who represents the daivajnya brahmins of south india . the image link is as below

http://img218.imageshack.us/i/untitlesodeswami.png/

http://img222.imageshack.us/i/sodegroupcopy.jpg/

Please stop deleting articles[edit]

If you keep editing and deleting article and its parts I would block you from editing articles!

He is our Guru,not yours.then respects others faith,you have no right to tell us whom we should follow or what we should follow!


And wikipedia is not kids play,images cannot be updated without any permission from the site administrator! Gautamgoa1984 (talk) 07:37, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

</gallery>==My stand on sode mutt== i have no personal greviences with the new constituited karki mutt pontiff.. my point is very clear.. wikipedia is renowned platform to present true facts and informations relating to the subject. i appreciate ur efforts. but my concern is towards uniting the vast splitted daivajnya brahmins. ur facts relating to the community mutt and traditions is subject to represent only one side of daivajnyas. when ur article is representing the whole of daivajnya samaj i.e approx 2 million daivajnya souls . u have the responsibility to publish both the mutt and their representing pontiffs. if ur not doing so. ur giving a wrong message not only to us daivajnya brahmins but also to the other communities and general public.Sonar shet (talk) 11:20, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

change refrence number[edit]

The Smarth Brahmin’s of Gokarna with a view that the Daivajnya Brahmins would take over the Puja authority at Gokarna ,filed a case against the Daivajnya Brahmins at Kumta court (22.10.1927).The case from Kumta court reached Karwar ,Bombay high court and has proved that Daivajnya Brahmins belong to the Vaishnava Brahmin cult.[110] the link 110 to the refrence book u have mentioned is wrong . it is in the book vishwabrahmanakulotsaha or vishwabrahmanara ithihasa book page no 139--Sonar shet (talk) 10:45, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

daivajnya 's are daivajnya brahmins and should not be written as daivadnya[edit]

daivajnya brahmins should be named and pronounced as daivajnya brahmins in all records and not daivadnya , daivadnea , and should always suffix brahmins before daivajnya . this point has been recorded in the census report as thus, The then Bombay census chief Mr. Drew has recorded the Daivajna Brahmins as top class Brahmins. The order of census department of 1981:Mr. drew, superintend of the census of Bombay has ordered that the Daivajna should wrote as Daivajna Brahmins in the census 1891.

daivajnya 's are daivajnya brahmins and should not be written as daivadnya, but unfortunately many of the government notifications and records have mentioned inappropriately ,which needs to be rectified .--Sonar shet (talk) 10:53, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

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Subdivisions in Karnataka and Kerala[edit]

The Subdivisions of Daivajnas in Karnataka and Kerala

  1. Karwari
  2. Bhatkalkar
  3. Kochikar


Gautam karekar 09:16, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

some facts about daivajna community![edit]

Most of the non-Daivajna witers and anthropologists relate Daivajna community with "Vishwajna" the fifth son of Vishwakarma,which is not true,neither is Daivajna synonym for Vishwajna,but historians do get confuse between both often and call Daivajnas amongst one of the Vishwajnas,who are found in AP,Karnataka.Daivajans do not have those gotras(Daivajnas have saptarshi gotras,eg atri,kashyap,vatsa),nor do they worship Vishwakarma,Daivajnas never claimed to be Vishwakarmas descendents,Daivajna means one who knows the future or an astrologer, and not Vishwajna,Daivajnas have adopted Jewellery trade n goldsmithy as ancillary occupations,the Shastris and Pundits from the community say that their ancestors used to offer Gold as Havis in the Yajna,and thats the reason they still are connected with the precious metal and claim to be superior than Vishwakarmas!In fact up-till recently Daivajnas from Goa did not even know about Vishwakarma and his son Vishwajna (or Daivajna as they call him)!In most of the cases Vishwakarma Vishwajan goldsmiths work under the Konkani speaking Daivajnas.


  • This is one of the reason,the Bombay census chief Mr. Drew insists them to write their caste name as Daivajna Brahmins as top classcand not just Daivajna ( which can lead to confusion and might be confused with Vishwajna).

The order of census department of 1981:Mr. drew, superintend of the census of Bombay has ordered that the Daivajna should write as Daivajna Brahmins in the census in 1891.

  • There is a distinction in Maharashtra amongst the Panchals called as Daivagna,and not as Daivajna Brahmins,they have gotras like Pratanasha,Vishwajna,Parita,Saursen,Manibhadra and have surnames like Dikshit,Pandit,Mahamuni and are supposed to follow Pranava Veda (which are not found in Daivajna Brahmins),recently these Panchals have started calling themselves as Daivajna Brahmins.

LET THERE BE NO CONFUSION ANY MORE!


Gautam 08:03, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

Pravaras[edit]

Pravaras again


  • Saankhyaan  : Vishwamitra, Aghamarshana, Devaratha
  • Gaargya  : Angirasa, Sainya, Gaargya
  • Parashara  : Vasistha, Saktya, Parasahara


Does anyone know the Pravaras for Surya,Savita,Koustubh,Vishwagni gotras?

What is not to be mentioned[edit]

==History==
===Genelogy===
Historians (in the ref states Nagendranath Basu,Dr.Shreedhar Venkatesh Ketkar,Ad.Pandurang Purushottam Shirodkar,Vithal Raghvendra Mitragori,Balkrishna D.Kamat Satoskar in their research).
What research? no book has been published on their research so it has to be replaced with a better source.

continued....These Bhojaka Brahmins are believed to have descended from Iranian Sun and Fire worshipper Shakadwipiya Magas (शाकद्वीपीय मग[1]) and are believed to have settled in Sambapura[2] and then to Magadha.Daivajnas have many common traits that are found in Bhojakas[3].The descendency of Daivajna Brahmins from Maga and Bhoja Brahmins is also suggested on the basis of the interest shown by the former in performing arts such as dance and drama.Magas and Bhojas were expert in performing arts.Following Shloka from Bhavishyapuran justifies the above statement:

Translation please!

The doctrinal basis for that assertion is Bhavishya Purana 133, which may be summarized as follows[5][6]:

Krishna's son Samba was afflicted with leprosy, which was cured after he worshipped Surya.He built a temple for Surya on the banks of the Chandrabhaga...... appointed them priests of the Surya temple.


Talks only about "Bhojaka Brahmins" & "Maga Brahmins", the article is about "Daivadnya"s, is'nt it? Its okay if the community's ancestors are descriped in a line or two. We can have separate "Bhojaka Brahmins" & "Maga Brahmins" articles.
Please segrigade "References and notes" section with Notes as one section and References as another.


===Migrations from the mainland===

  • According to historians (in REF: Vithal Raghavendra Mitragotri) (Inwhich book, newspaper,etc.?)

contd....Similarly about 3500 Daivajna Brahmins have migrated to Bangalore city after 1905 from Dakshina Kannada[7].

Written in the form of a list. But why? make like a prose?--Sanfytalk 13:18, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

translation[edit]

वाद्यनाम् शंखशब्दंश्च नृत्यं नाट्यं मतं मम


Vadyanaam--->of the musical instruments

Shankhashabdanshcha---> and of the sound of a conch shell

Nrutyam--->dance

Natyam--->drama

Matam--->could also mean religions or hobbies,or way of life

Mama---> mine

which could be roughly transliterated as

"Playing musical instruments,dance,drama are my hobbies"

  1. ^ Mahabharata describes four fold Varna system that was followed in Shakadwipa:Maga,Mashaka,Manasa,Madanga,"Mahabharata",Bhishmaparva,Adhyaya-11,Shlokas-35 to 38
  2. ^ Multān City - Imperial Gazetteer of India, v. 18, p. 35.
  3. ^ Dr.Shreedhar Venkatesh Ketkar
  4. ^ Bhavishya Purana,Brahman Parva,Adhyaya 139,Shloka 73
  5. ^ Misra 1914, p. 150 "Indo-Iranian relations", Tehran: Information Service of India, Embassy of India .
  6. ^ Chand 1964, p. 4 Chand, Tara (1964),6), "Brāhmaṇa Nirṇaya ", Aligarh
  7. ^ Karnataka State gazetteer. 19. Gazetteer Dept. 1965. p. 174. 

South Canara[edit]

DAIVAJNYA BRAHMINS IN THE SOUTH ESPECIALLY IN SOUTH KANARA CONSIDER DANCE DRAMA ACTING ETC AS THE ACTS WHICH IS NOT TO BE ENCOURAGED ,EXCEPT SINGING BHAJANS AND ART WORKS.PEOPLE AS SEEN HERE NOT TOO MUCH INVOLVED IN IT. 18:59, 27 July 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sonar shet (talkcontribs)

Do some research first[edit]

This is not a personal attack! but all ur statements seem to be contradictory!

  • 1.These arts have been inheited but the Shets of Goa by their ancestors,historians say that they have inherited them from Bhojas
  • 2.Migration og the Shets to south Canara,Udupi dates back to 16th century CE,and since then their customs have been modified a lot and they have adopted many other customs which were never found in goan Shets nor are they found in them now!
  • 3.For example: Eating fish was never considered degrading amongst the Shets,on the other hand poeple in South canara udupi ,Kerala have given up eating fish coz hey were not accepted by the local brahmins!
  • 4.Brahmins of Goa,do not consider singing and drama as demeaning! only the ladies were not allowed to do that! no such instances are found in Goan history!

Gautam 02:08, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

Doubts[edit]

  • I would like to know wat similarities does daivajnya brahmins and the bhoja or magha brahmins have in common except the inheritence of acts such as dance drama playing musical instruments.which gotra system do they follow.which sutra do they belong to.let me know. 07:44, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
  • Is there a diety called bahiri bhavani, ekveera ,khanderav in goa or neighbouring states .... 07:44, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
  • For ur kind information i do not claim myself to be a historian nor intend to create false stories.its my keen intrest to involve myself in the process of attempting to find the origin of our mysterious roots. 07:44, 28 July 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sonar shet (talkcontribs)
  • Do Daivadnya Brahmins have a custom of not eating any non-vegetarian food after Holi ( or Rang Panachami ) ? The reason I ask this question is one of my Daivadnya friend told me that they don't eat non-veg food from the first Friday after holi to the next Friday. Just curious. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 20.137.18.50 (talk) 14:16, 28 March 2011 (UTC)


Well let me be clear this talk page is only for discussion of the article and how it could be improved. Let me clear your doubts.

Most or may be all the Shets from Goa and Karwar eat fish on all the festivals(only festivals and not on Vratas or Kulacharas like Chavath,Navaratri,Nagapanchami) Eating fish on festivals like samvatsar padvo or the hindu new year,dasara,or diwali (if it does not coincide with lakshmi puja) and Holi is considered good..and auspicious as eating fish is considered as symbol of prosperity.yes and they do celebrate a fish feast after all major festivals on which they do not eat even onion garlic.especially they celebrate a fish feast aftr the ganesh visarjana is performed.some even eat fish on the same day or the next day.this custom is also followed by goan saraswats.I do not have any idea about Canara daivajnas or konkane daivajnas of mumbai n konkan.


Nijgoykar (talk) 14:44, 28 March 2011 (UTC)

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Surnames[edit]

Typical Surnames

collapsed for readability

Too much IAST and italics[edit]

Common undisputed spellings like Ganesha, shudra, Maharashtra, Konkani etc. are unneccessarily spelt in IAST. That is a big readability issue. How many people will know "Mahārāṣṭra" (also spelt in the article as Maharshtra) is NOT a typos of Maharashtra, but something called IAST? IAST is OK in scholarly books for a scholarly audience, but one can not expect the audience of wikipedia be a reader of foreign author's IAST books. I wasted my time clicked on Peśvās and realizing it was plain Peshwas. This hindered my read.

I strongly recommend the author: Change the following back in English

  • All place names (Śimogā,Cikkamagaluru,Koḍagu,Davaṇgere,Hubballī-Dhārvāḍa,Belgāv were big diversion), Konkan, Karnataka etc.
  • Deity names: Shiva, Ganesha, Shantadurga, Vithala, Vishnu etc
  • Popular spellings like Chitpavan, Shett, kshatriya, shudra be reintroduced
  • Author names, person names (Notable Individuals), historians
  • Languages like Bangla (Bengali), Konkani etc
  • Festivals like Ganesh Chaturthi

Every other term is italicised in the article. Remove italics as much as possible

  • Remove for places. Things like Scythia
  • All people names
  • Things like genealogical DNA study
  • 5th should be without superscript. --Redtigerxyz Talk 18:00, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

There is too much flowery language and also some personal opinions, and some grammar errors too.--Redtigerxyz Talk 14:02, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

  • "They were badly molested by them and tried to degrade them to a level of a shudras in an effort made by the members of the said group to be exclusively called Brahmins." is unclear. who they, who them?
  • " brutal extent" is giving a negative connotation to the sentence. Just state the facts, do not give words that form an opinion. A similar case was "Unfortunately, Daivajñas in Maharashtra have forgotten their roots" see Wikipedia:Words_to_avoid#Words_that_editorialize.

--Redtigerxyz Talk 14:07, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

  • "good food" is a personal opinion of the author, attribute it.--Redtigerxyz Talk 14:21, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

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About Personal opinions![edit]

  • ....Learnt daivadnya priests...

the names include

    • Vedamurthy Anant Jattaiyya Bhatt Raykar
    • Vedamurthy Narayan Bhatt Shejekan
    • Vedamurthy Sadashiva Nagenrda Bhatt Revankar
    • Vedachudamani Upendra Narayana Bhatt Raykar

and many more

wont u call them learnt? or u think thats a personal opinion?

  • ..good food..

Its not personal opinion... thats how its mentioned in Gazateer of the Bombay presidency-Kanara district ....they are good cooks and moderate eater...("Gazateer of the Bombay presidency-Kanara district", 1883, volume 15, part 1)

  • "They were badly molested by them and tried to degrade them to a level of a shudras in an effort made by the members of the said group to be exclusively called Brahmins."

Molested by the Peshwas and the Chitpavans!

Nijgoykar (talk) 18:18, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

Learnt daivadnya priests is the view of Daivadnyas, the rival groups may call them fools. "Good cook" is - as I said - personal opinion of the author of Gazateer of the Bombay presidency-Kanara district in 1883. Two problems with good cooks: 1. "good cook" is a relative term, A may say X is a good cook, but B may say X cooks bad food. 2. Now after 100 years, they may not be good cooks. A newer reference is needed. For good food and learnt, see Wikipedia:Words_to_avoid#Words_that_editorialize.--Redtigerxyz Talk 11:20, 9 September 2009 (UTC)


daivajnya brahmins are really good i cooking... as i have learnt the older generation daivajnya s use to cook for their own functions or appoint a good cook fron thier own caste. because it is believed that consuming food prepared by a person of other caste was a degrading fact or offense.the daivajnya brahmins of south kanara and uttar kanara of karnataka have been strictly practicing this custom.(User talk:Sonar shet) 16:39, 25 November 2009 (UTC)


@ User talk:Sonar shet


That's out of context. Nijgoykar (talk) 19:03, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

False etymologies[edit]

I removed a spurious paragraph based on unrealiable sources: "Technites,or the artist,as well as the Latin verb Texo,the obsolete Teuxo,now Teukho in Greek ,are derived from the Sanskrit Takṣa.Like Technites stand the eight drgree of lineal descent from Syayambhuva,adam or Protogonus. Tvaṣṭar was the grandfather of Maga and the present Manu." In reality, the Latin texo, the Greek tekhnites (τεχνίτης), and the Sanskrit taksan are cognates (IndoEuropean root *tek-). Tvaṣṭar does not seem to feature the same root (a reliable source has to be cited). The Greek teucho (τεύχω) features the IE root *dheugh- which is also unrelated to *tek-. --Omnipaedista (talk) 16:02, 16 January 2010 (UTC)

Social status[edit]

  • Dr Iravati Karves research seems to be very much biased when it comes to certain groups.Pandurang Purushottam Shirodkar also opines that most of the information written by the other Brahmin scholars like Karve have been biased when it comes to Daivajnas.

Reference[edit]

Here is a GA article that i feel you could use as reference.

Joyson Noel Holla at me! 17:55, 28 March 2011 (UTC)

Arbitrary heading[edit]

Daivdnya bramhins are originally from Karnataka, they detoroited themself by calling daivadyna sonar they are origal bramhin community.sonar is not caste it is occupation, However, by birth daivadnyas are bramhins. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 120.62.23.50 (talk) 12:01, 27 November 2014 (UTC)

No source = no mention. Please see WP:V and WP:RS, and note that this page is not for general discussions about the community but rather for improvements to the article. Thanks. - Sitush (talk) 17:12, 27 November 2014 (UTC)

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Sourcing[edit]

I remain really concerned about this article. It is incredibly complex and seemingly very reliant on obscure sources of dubious merit. I realise that English-language sources may be thin on the ground but, honestly, the number of non-English sources written by seemingly non-notable authors and published by non-notable houses is astonishing. It may need some substantial pruning. - Sitush (talk) 07:41, 23 January 2017 (UTC)

No one reply as all info is fake Sitush so start your work obviously everything will be in history no need to worry.It is Octobor now your statement dated January so hope wiki policy don't justify this rite? I am particularly showing you wrong statement hoping for your action! Raju Achar (talk) 14:07, 16 October 2017 (UTC) Raju Achar (talk) 14:07, 16 October 2017 (UTC)

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Etymology[edit]

We say It is possible that Vadirajatirtha bestowed the appellation Daivadnya when many of the community adopted the Madhwa religion under leadership of Vadiraja but there is valid proof for this claim, which makes no sense. The quote that follows the sentence also makes no sense, in that instance because it has two wildly different sources, one of which is not even in English as far as I can tell. - Sitush (talk) 21:43, 30 September 2017 (UTC)

Whole section is not related to daivdnya caste[edit]

"The Daivadnyas claim that they came to Goa in the south in 2500 BCE to assist those Brahmins who came with Parashurama to perform yajna (ritualistic sacrifices) and are believed to have settled in various agraharas with other Brahmins.[18][19] That date is disputed, with some scholars saying it was during fourth to sixth century CE, others saying 700 BCE, and some supporting the community's claim of 2500 BCE. Research by scholars like Dharmananda Damodar Kosambi[20] and Bhau Daji[21][22] claim that these mythologies serves as a symbol of the sanskritisation that, then Goan culture experienced with the advent of Brahminical religion to this region but some scholars reject these claims by providing proofs of migration.[23][24][25]"


This whole section and citations speaks about karade,saraswth brahmins and konkonastha not daivdnyas.I have went through all the citations in this paragraph,If possible remove this paragraph built on wrong citation and add caste related stuffs............Anyone can check the above information! Ganesh072 (talk) 17:34, 11 October 2017 (UTC)

I suspect there may be a lot of this sort of thing going on. I am becoming increasingly fed up of waiting for people to respond to queries on this page, including those related to obscure sources etc. I'm not ruling out trimming the article by maybe as much as 90 per cent because it alls looks very odd to me. - Sitush (talk) 21:17, 11 October 2017 (UTC)

Hi sitush can you please go through the above claimed content by that user once and also many other content has been placed there which don't have valid references.Please delete the content if no one is replying,obviously if it is justifiable they would have done untill now. In the whole site there is no relevant proof justifying the relation of parashuram with this page but they have added simply obviously in wiki fake content cannot be kept for more time.Rite? I have seen your name in many pages ending fake claims but why are you not taking action here,please do Take action if not they will start adding more fake content!! Raju Achar (talk) 16:42, 15 October 2017 (UTC)

My problem is that I do not have access to a lot of the sources. - Sitush (talk) 16:54, 15 October 2017 (UTC)

Sitush only you can do this !.Please don't entertain these content I had visited all the references here yes majority of them are not refered in digital library and some are not in English.Obviously according to wiki policy these fake contents should be removed.Please do it soon if not in many pages once again vandalised may start vandalism keeping this page reference format as reference (Once again my well formatted contents will be vandalised:( ). Raju Achar (talk) 01:43, 16 October 2017 (UTC) Raju Achar (talk) 01:43, 16 October 2017 (UTC)

"The Daivadnyas claim that they came to Goa in the south in 2500 BCE to assist those Brahmins who came with Parashurama to perform yajna (ritualistic sacrifices) and are believed to have settled in various agraharas with other Brahmins.[18][19] That date is disputed, with some scholars saying it was during fourth to sixth century CE, others saying 700 BCE, and some supporting the community's claim of 2500 BCE. Research by scholars like Dharmananda Damodar Kosambi[20] and Bhau Daji[21][22] claim that these mythologies serves as a symbol of the sanskritisation that, then Goan culture experienced with the advent of Brahminical religion to this region but some scholars reject these claims by providing proofs of migration.[23][24][25]"

By the way this claim of user:Gowrish seems perfect which ever reference I visited speaks about either konkan creation, saraswat Brahmins,konkonasta brahmin and karade brahmin(I saw mainly migration of saraswat brahmin with parashuram and some researchers giving archeological evidence with some opposing this as brahminism) but I didn't found Daivadnya anywhere!? Lol. My personal point brought me here was sivagama and jyotishya origin which don't have valid references but also they have kept it here I don't know still how many loop wholes are there! If you cannot open documents obviously better to remove since they have given wrong reference they do some tricks like this .Hoping for the same action you took in komati and other North Indian brahmin pages!!! Raju Achar (talk) 01:55, 16 October 2017 (UTC) Raju Achar (talk) 01:55, 16 October 2017 (UTC)

"Daiva jānati iti daivajñaḥ is literally translated as the one who knows the fate is Daivadnya or "the one who knows about God is Daivadnya", and can be interpreted as the one who knows about the future is a Daivadnya; or the one is well versed in Śilpaśāstra and can craft an idol of God is called a Daivadnya.[5][page needed][8][clarification"

This is one example of some of many exaggerated biased wordings.Actually this means something else but someone has user here and reference is not from any researcher but from caste writer and other references is blank page. Like this atlmost 80-90 percentage of this article is filled with unauthenticated fake contents without reference non valid for wiki standards. So my request is please don't entertain this instead start trimming. ~~ Raju Achar (talk) 02:10, 16 October 2017 (UTC)

  • The fact that something is not available online and/or is not in English is irrelevant, since neither matter. What we have here is a situation where you are pointing out problems but someone else clearly thought it was ok, so it is a sort of stalemate. As I have said before, I have grave doubts about a lot of this stuff but I don't think I can remove it so quickly just based on my gut feeling. At best, I need to give time for people to respond. - Sitush (talk) 03:06, 16 October 2017 (UTC)

27 Jan 2017 is the date where you have asked citation but I didn't find any reply till now but you will take instant action as per my knowledge but why are you delaying here!!Obviously citation is there you can go through it definitely you will find the fakeness of majority of this article.If you are indicating any user: nijg obviously if he have citation let him come giving 8 months to reply? Raju Achar (talk) 13:57, 16 October 2017 (UTC) Raju Achar (talk) 13:57, 16 October 2017 (UTC)


Whole section is not related to daivdnya caste "The Daivadnyas claim that they came to Goa in the south in 2500 BCE to assist those Brahmins who came with Parashurama to perform yajna (ritualistic sacrifices) and are believed to have settled in various agraharas with other Brahmins.[18][19] That date is disputed, with some scholars saying it was during fourth to sixth century CE, others saying 700 BCE, and some supporting the community's claim of 2500 BCE. Research by scholars like Dharmananda Damodar Kosambi[20] and Bhau Daji[21][22] claim that these mythologies serves as a symbol of the sanskritisation that, then Goan culture experienced with the advent of Brahminical religion to this region but some scholars reject these claims by providing proofs of migration.[23][24][25]" At least let's start from this section I personally read all the citaions and found this as wrongly kept sentence here so please go through this sentence and after that obviously you will understand what I am trying to convey(After reading citaion if you find irrelevant info first delete this statement).

You may give time to ambiguous statements but how can you give time for these statements which is appearantly wrong!!!! Waiting for reply or actions Sitush Raju Achar (talk) 14:04, 16 October 2017 (UTC) Raju Achar (talk) 14:04, 16 October 2017 (UTC)