Talk:Dallas Cowboys Cheerleaders

World-famous?

They might be well-known to Americans overseas (particularly servicemen, I suspect), but remember that cheerleaders and American sporting traditions in general are not big in most countries. I suspect that most non-Americans (except the diehard fans of American sports) will have no knowledge of cheerleaders beyond knowing of their existence. -- Necrothesp 23:05, 30 October 2005 (UTC)

Well, I'm not American (though not far geographically), dislike most sports, really dislike football, and I think they are world famous. They've appeared over the years, on lots of places outside of a football stadiums, including on TV shows aired internationally. It's a little like the Harlem Globetrotters, where you needn't know much about Basketball to know about them. If you know nothing of cheerleading, you probably still know of the DCC. I think groups like the Laker Girls, and others could be described as being only nationally famous. Wherease, the DCC are world famous. In fact, I suspect those least familiar with chearleading, are probably more likely to see the DCC as being representatitve of cheerleading as a whole. Also, it's important to distinguish between "world famous" (true) and "popular all over the world" (false) or "having a world wide fan base" (false). --rob 23:42, 30 October 2005 (UTC)

Well, I'm not American and I'm happy to say that I've never heard of them. I care nothing for American sport or for its accoutrements and neither, as far as I know, do the vast majority of my countrymen (I notice you're Canadian - maybe these things percolate over the border). In fact, I've only ever met two (non-American) people who gave two hoots about such things - and one of them was twenty years ago at school. I really don't think they're world-famous in the slightest - "world-famous" to my mind means that most people in countries with developed media have an awareness of the subject, which is definitely not the case here. However, I'm not inclined to get into an edit war over it. -- Necrothesp 00:17, 31 October 2005 (UTC)

I changed the wording to say they're one of the most famous organizations in the world. It (now) doesn't say their famous throughout the world. --rob 02:00, 31 October 2005 (UTC)

That I'm happy to go along with. -- Necrothesp 10:40, 31 October 2005 (UTC)

Necrothesp, if care so little about American Football and it's cheerleaders, then ONE, how did you come to be on this page, TWO, why read the discussion, THREE why participate in the discussion, and FOUR, why is your opinion even important to the discussion? I mean just because you have the ability to chime in doesn't mean you should. I don't watch soccer, so I won't be offering up my two cents as to how popular it is "worlwide" in the Soccer page as I would have no idea other then my general inteligence on the subject. Menwhile as a person who does have knowledge on this particular subject, I can tell you this. The Dallas Cowboys, and it's cheerleaders are in fact known "Worldwide" hence they are "world famous" Are they known in every country as much as other things specific things to each indivudual country, no. Would every person in each country know them? No, of course not. (According to a recent report, ten years later, their are still people in Afgansistan who have never heard of the events of 9/11, so clearly "everyone" would not know of everything.) But to say that they aren't known at all in "your country" sounds more like a ignorant hate post as no one here could ever vouch for "everyone" in their country. In fact heres a quote from you. "I care nothing for American sport or for its accoutrements and neither, as far as I know, do the vast majority of my countrymen" Sounds like anti american hate to me, and hence your opinion of an American Sport or it's cheerleaders means nothing to me nor to this discussion as you have no clearly have no bias. If even one person in 51% of the countries worldwide know of them, then they are in fact "World Famous", period end of discussion. Just as I have heard of the Pyramids of Giza, the Great Wall, and the Kremlin, people world wide know about they Dallas Cowboy Cheerleaders. I"m puttin it back in and if someone wants to take it out, while being credible, then feel free to show why it's not true. Deepintexas (talk) 23:48, 29 January 2011 (UTC)

There is a big difference between being "known" and being "world famous". Being known means that we may have heard of them, or acknowledge their existence, but to be world famous means global recognition - 51% is not enough to be world famous. 100% coverage is needed. Cheerleaders as a genre may be well known throughout the rest of the world, but the Dallas Cheerleaders specifically fall way short of that goal. I've removed it as a peacock term. Also, please assume good faith - "hate post" & "anti american hate" are inappropriate. a_man_alone (talk) 14:16, 10 June 2011 (UTC)

100%? Seriously???? Dude get real. Deepintexas (talk) 03:51, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

I have readded "world famous" and have sited two sources for it.Deepintexas (talk) 19:19, 16 July 2011 (UTC)

Your first source is invalid, being the DCC's own website, and the second source doesn't actually say they're world famous, merely popular, which I don't dispute, but there's a world (no pun intended) of difference between popular (being "known" as I stated earlier) and world famous.

If they were truly world famous, you'd have no difficulty in finding a dozen websites from around the globe that refer to their popularity, instead of two sites - one of which is their own, and the other is a subset of an American website.

Find me a website from New Delhi or Finland which says "We Love the Dallas Cowboy Cheerleaders" and I'll agree that they're World Famous. Here's an example of what is World Famous: Ok, it's 10 years old, but it's still The Simpsons in Finland or The Simpsons on the BBC website. The Simpsons are world famous - the Dallas Cheerleaders are not.

Also, with regard to this comment you made "I"m puttin it back in and if someone wants to take it out, while being credible, then feel free to show why it's not true." that's not how wiki works - the onus is on the contributor to show why it is relevant to keep in, not on the remover to show why it should be taken out.

I suspect that from your sig and comments you are simply unable to comprehend that what is famous in the Great State of Texas may not be automatically considered famous in the rest of the world. a_man_alone (talk) 10:11, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

List of current cheerleaders

Can we have that in the article? And also post their current pictures?

Adding a list is fine with me (I can't speak for others). As for pictures, you can add pictures only if they're public domain or under a free license. That's unlikely to be the case. --Rob 23:26, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

"Cowgirls"

I'm sure that when NFL was on Channel Four in the UK, the presenters would regularly refer to them as the "Dallas Cowgirls", which is apparently Not Actually Correct. Was this ever their actual title, and is it a common enough reference to ve worth including? Alai 00:43, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

It was sufficiently common decades ago, as was "Texas Cowgirls", to be mentioned in the US Court of Appeals.Feel free to add if it someone hasn't in the last 9 years. Waerloeg (talk) 02:06, 9 November 2015 (UTC)

"A major part of their attraction"

To whom? OK, to everyone. But still POV without a reference. Sorry. Ribonucleic (talk) 23:49, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

Trademark on uniforms

As I understand it, clothing design isn't subject to a trademark. So I question the phrase "The uniform itself is a carefully guarded trademark and may not be duplicated in any way without the written permission of the DCC". Is this accurate? The trademark is the name and perhaps the logo; those can't be in a duplicate uniform, but the design is otherwise not trademarked because clothing design isn't subject to trademarks. I'm marking this phrase as dubious until someone with more knowledge of trademark law can confirm. JordiGH (talk) 15:34, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

I phoned the DCC & was told by someone who works in the organization that the style of uniform is trademarked by the DCC & it also means that no one can use the uniform without the Dallas Cowboys Cheerleaders permission, i.e. if another team copies the style. Also that when the season is over, current DCC must turn in their uniforms. Wearing the uniform outside of a game or media event is strictly forbidden & correcive action, leading up to being kicked off the team may be taken. I hope this information helps you. Ajharris78 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 11:39, 23 May 2011 (UTC).

Sure, that's what they say. The current text in Wikipedia regarding the trademark is in fact copied verbatim from their website. Whether it's actually true is another thing. Fashion design is not subject to trademark, so I think their attempt to prohibit someone from copying the uniform may not be valid. JordiGH (talk) 11:51, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

I agree, but I believe what they're saying is 'You can't wear this style of uniform if you're not a DCC, but you can wear a knockoff.' Although, I too, believe that a design can't be trademarked. Ajharris78 —Preceding undated comment added 12:03, 23 May 2011 (UTC).

"As I understand it, clothing design isn't subject to a trademark." "Fashion design is not subject to trademark, so I think their attempt to prohibit someone from copying the uniform may not be valid." Your understanding is wrong. Several decades ago the DCC uniform was confirmed as a trademark by the Court of Appeals in Dallas Cowboys Cheerleaders versus Pussycat Cinema. Accordingly I am removing the dubious discuss tag on the main page. Waerloeg (talk) 02:03, 9 November 2015 (UTC)

performing at games

I love watching the girls perform but when they have a game, no performances are shown or none shown during halftime. I watch the show every chance I get because they show all girls how they should act and how to achieve all their goals with determination. It's a good show for young girls to watch so that they can go after anything they put their minds to. The football game is good but show the girls performing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 137.118.236.82 (talk) 00:32, 28 November 2015 (UTC)

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Good size with some photographs.. not long enough (at all) for GA or FA tho. drumguy8800 C T 06:52, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

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