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After your dog attains normal size at the age of 2-3 years one must get their Liver Functioning test (LFT), Kidney Functioning Test( KFT) and Urine test done. After your dog attains normal size at the age of 2-3 years one must get their Liver Functioning test (LFT), Kidney Functioning Test( KFT) and Urine test done in routine, else if things gets worsen revival becomes impossible after age of 6-7 years. Somebody added this to article. Is there such a test. Hafspajen (talk) 12:03, 21 March 2014 (UTC)


This picture is now added to an other article.Hafspajen (talk) 18:27, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

Dalmatian with liver spotted coat

What is the point of your edits on the Dalmatian page? There has always been a photo at this location in Health. Take a look the page from just last week. --Apollo284 (talk)

I know, I made the layout. I already added this picture at Dog health, more than this can't do. We have to have catalog like pictures in an encyclopeadia, yes. Hafspajen (talk) 20:15, 18 September 2014 (UTC)
  • I have semi-protected the article to stop the edit war, and left a message on the talk pages of those I saw had been seeking to change the image. Now please discuss the pictures on the merits, with reference to policy and guidelines. Yngvadottir (talk) 20:54, 18 September 2014 (UTC)
Well, I say that the dog picture here to right, is not encyclopedic, we can't use that one. It is not up to Wikipedia standards. I let the other Dog Task Force members to decide if the current picture is to stay. Hafspajen (talk) 21:09, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

Fylbecatulous, Sagaciousphil ... Hafspajen (talk) 21:13, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

Crisco 1492 ? Chose now 4 or 5 pictures + one for the lead. Hafspajen (talk) 21:28, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

Agree on lead image, go on and chose 4 more for the article. Hafspajen (talk) 21:52, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

Yngvadottir, are you satisfied with this agreement? We can leave notification at the Dog project too. We can even turn it into a formal Rcf. Hafspajen (talk) 22:24, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

I'm fine with whatever you choose, but the article is semi'd to get the editor(s) who's been inserting the Apollo pics to talk about it, and ideally your explanation to them will cite policy - possibly from the WikiProject? I really hope and expect them to post here again; if they do, please someone respond with a link to the guidelines. Yngvadottir (talk) 03:55, 19 September 2014 (UTC)

Ping also our image expert, Crisco 1492 . Hafspajen (talk) 22:27, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

Put a S, C and F on each five you chose. Hafspajen (talk) 21:41, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

  • I only like three of them. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:48, 18 September 2014 (UTC)
  • I have chosen five. I really like Binka the best (brown spotted last right on top row). All four of us have chosen Prunella, but Binka has a prouder look with mouth closed and chin up. Although it may not be proper during judging, I also like Binka's stance with all four legs visible. Prunella's eyes are too dark to be defined and I dislike the open, almost panting tongue and teeth showing. Fylbecatulous talk 03:05, 19 September 2014 (UTC)

So, that makes these pictures to go into the article. It is good that there are all sorts of brown and black spotted varieties. Hafspajen (talk) 05:48, 19 September 2014 (UTC)

Now the question is, shall we put the File:Apollo386.jpg eventually in a gallery at the end of the page. It is not a bad picture, if compared with the other one, it could make it eventually in a gallery - if we take like some and chuck it in into a small gallery at the end. Just to be nice. Leave it to you. Hafspajen (talk) 05:54, 19 September 2014 (UTC) As for the lead image - well, maybe Binka IS a bit better, one can see all four leggs, but Prunella is good too. Hafspajen (talk) 05:58, 19 September 2014 (UTC) For the layout:

ALT 3 is

ALT 4 I think ALT 3 or 4 could work too. Lead can be Prunella or Binka, you chose. Hafspajen (talk) 06:53, 19 September 2014 (UTC) Fylbecatulous, Sagaciousphil ...? Hafspajen (talk) 06:56, 19 September 2014 (UTC)

  • Images must have encyclopedic value, relevance and Wikipedia is not an image repository (per policy); in my opinion, the images of Apollo do not demonstrate any specific point about the breed so are not relevant, they have no EV and are simply "my pet pics", so under policy have no place in the article. The reason I would select Prunella as the lead image is because I feel Binka is a touch too fine in bone to fully illustrate the "strength" and "endurance" called for in the breed standard where it states: "strong, muscular and active" - this is touched on in the article. I also think the angle of Binka's head/neck doesn't show "shoulders are laid back", but it does give a good stacked picture of a liver spotted Dalmatian. So I guess overall, I would go for ALT 2. SagaciousPhil - Chat 07:42, 19 September 2014 (UTC)
OK: I am fine with that too. Fylbecatulous, Crisco 1492 Hafspajen (talk) 07:47, 19 September 2014 (UTC)
  • I am not familiar enough with dog breeding to discuss "strength" and "endurance". Either is fine with me. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 07:58, 19 September 2014 (UTC)
  • Actually I an fine with either one too. So, settle the case, press ALT and save. Hafspajen (talk) 08:19, 19 September 2014 (UTC)

Okay, so I wouldn't get confused when I chose the correct ALT, I pulled out the one to be left out. I agree Prunella makes the finer lead image for the good reasons stated by Sagasciousphil. I too happily yield to better knowledge. I also like quite well Crisco's choice of 'Dalmatiner_2' standing in the bullrushes. So ALT 2 is the edit I saved. I think we now have a fine arrray of healthy and well representative dalmations. Even a blue-eyed one. Thanks. Fylbecatulous talk 12:48, 19 September 2014 (UTC)

Added the last one too. Well, that's it. Unfortunatelly we didn't had anyone to discuss the new pictures, Yngvadottir... We had a gallery in case of a compromise - but nobody turned up. Hafspajen (talk) 14:21, 19 September 2014 (UTC)
Looks good to me. If they resume edit-warring after the semi-protection lapses, refer them to this section and keep explaining about educational value. You have offered to put their second picture in a gallery at the end of the article, but you all agree it doesn't merit inclusion as a main image. I left messages for two named editors and one IP; if this arose earlier or I otherwise missed someone, please leave a user talk page message wherever I missed doing so. (That first pic is a good atmospheric shot of Ocean Beach, by the way :-).) Yngvadottir (talk) 14:54, 19 September 2014 (UTC)
Well, as I said, nobody appeared to disscuss anything. And well, go ahead and add the pic there, at Ocean Beach, or I will do it.... (wich one of them??) Hafspajen (talk) 15:23, 19 September 2014 (UTC)

..... You gave me no time to respond or participate and you essentially just rationalize proprietary feelings over the page instead of any rational decisions. " my opinion, the images of Apollo do not demonstrate any specific point about the breed so are not relevant..." You could make that point about any photograph on this page. The consensus is just the same decision by the people who had proprietary feelings over the page in the first place. You didn't improve the page you just had a meeting to discourage casual users from ever participating. apollo284 (talk) — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 15:43, 19 September 2014 (UTC)

Thank you for coming back here to discuss. Now, please log in - once you register an account, you should avoid editing logged-out. See above for specific points raised, notably encyclopedic/educational relevance. You have previously stated that the images already in the article looked like catalog pictures. That's basically what they should look like: clear, showing the whole dog or specific breed points discussed in the article. Not atmospheric, not in any way creative because that gets in the way of presenting information. Your second image is better in this respect than your first. Would you be amenable to its being included in a small gallery at the end of the article, as was suggested? Or do you need further explanation? I'm sorry if you feel the others rushed through a decision without your participation, but for future reference, after you get reverted, post to the talk page. You were invited at all the addresses I knew for you, and I believe you were previously linked to our preferred way of doing things - bold edit - revert - discuss. This is the best way we have found to minimize edit warring, which is damaging to the encyclopedia. If you were not aware of these pages, I apologize but you should read them now ... and present your rationale for changing the images, bearing in mind that it is an encyclopedia. Yngvadottir (talk) 16:56, 19 September 2014 (UTC)
@Apollo284,, and Sethplg: I was asked to quote policies to back up the removal of the two images, which I have done; if you have valid encyclopedic reasons for either of these images to be included, please state them together with the appropriate policy. I have no "proprietary feelings" over this article - if you check you will find I have only ever undertaken very general edits to it - my concern is to ensure images included are relevant and offer some EV. Thanks. SagaciousPhil - Chat 19:20, 19 September 2014 (UTC)
  • Scuse me, Apollo386 but that not true, just had a meeting to discourage casual users. What, Yngvadottir let you messages in three places. AND:... . In # ALT3 and # ALT4 there is a little gallery included that looks like this:

It was a solution suggested by me. But you just say negative things all the time, and you were calling me silly and pedantic at Yngvadottir's talk page. I WAS THE one who wanted a solution, a compromise - and made a gallery where this picture is included - now you instead of saying: - thanks that you came up with a compromise, please let us use that gallery, that was very nice of you really that you tried, thank you or something like that - well - you start calling me names. Very diplomatic, indeed. Hafspajen (talk) 20:42, 19 September 2014 (UTC)


One or two IP editors want the article to say in the lead that the breed is "medium to large". The wording in the body of the article is "mid-sized"; I agree with the IP editor(s) that it would be good to mention size in the lead, but the two statements should match. Are there any sources that say dalmations are "medium to large"? Do they vary in size that much? If not, "mid-sized" would seem better, and is evidently ok with most editors because it's sat undisturbed in the article. But it would be good to have a source for that, too, to be sure. What do the various kennel clubs class the breed as? Yngvadottir (talk) 22:35, 11 January 2015 (UTC)

This IP is roaming all over the dog articles, adding large, medium and so all over the place with like 8 IPs. Generally dogs are listed by kennel clubs in sizes. And adds time to time as an editnotice fuck accept. Dalmatians are considered medium. Hafspajen (talk) 23:17, 11 January 2015 (UTC)

Here is a chart. Another one. Hafspajen (talk) 23:39, 11 January 2015 (UTC)

That's what I figured about sources, hence my actions in the article. Thanks. Yngvadottir (talk) 05:39, 12 January 2015 (UTC)
Heh, I checked the Kennel club [1] - and that one say - large. Hafspajen (talk) 10:21, 12 January 2015 (UTC)