Talk:Dan Schneider (TV producer)

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weight loss[edit]

Does anybody have information on his massive weight loss from one season to another on Head of the Class? The show started a season premiere with him removing an overcoat and showing he lost like 50 pounds (and the studio audience/laugh track went nuts.) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.96.220.195 (talk) 08:15, 12 July 2007‎

Source? StewdioMACK Talk page 09:23, 4 February 2015 (UTC)

The massive table[edit]

I don't think we need a massive table for all the shows he's produced. Takes up much too much space and doesn't conform to WP:TONE. The table we have with his works taking up one line each at the bottom of the article is fine, in my opinion. StewdioMACK Talk page 09:20, 21 February 2015 (UTC)

The guideline you mentioned is about the tone, it has nothing to do with this page. You can't find the information organized so neatly anywhere. You would have to go to every show to find out how he was involved. Why would you want to delete it? It doesn't take too much space, maybe it's just unproportional to the amount of information we have on his life. This could be solved by adding information instead of deleting. --94.217.99.33 (talk) 11:59, 23 April 2017 (UTC)

Merge Proposal[edit]

I feel like Schneiderverse would belong better as a section within the article Dan_Schneider. The discussion there is better placed here, and if this is a commonly used term, a redirect could be made to send searches to this page instead of the disambiguation page. I have also left a similar note to this on the Schneiderverse page indicating that the discussion should happen here. Metiscus (talk) 17:10, 9 January 2018 (UTC)

I feel like it should be an article on its own, so it can be linked and accessed from Dan Schneider and Nickelodeon (and maybe the involved shows).
Anyway, as ist stands now, Schneiderverse redirects here, and all former information therein is gone.
-Gott (talk) 15:08, 11 April 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 27 March 2018[edit]

Remove the following clause "after evidence emerged that he had sexually abused some of the younger stars of his shows" from the final sentence of the final paragraph of the "television series" section as it is not supported by the cited sources. Julio144 (talk) 12:49, 27 March 2018 (UTC)

This was  Done at about the same time you posted this request. Thank you for highlighting this important problem with the article. MPS1992 (talk) 20:04, 27 March 2018 (UTC)

Poorly sourced allegations of impropriety[edit]

Schneider and Nickelodeon parted ways. That is well documented. Neither Schneider and Nickelodeon in any official statement gave a reason. Some writers are speculating as to reasons and adding those speculations to the factual reports of the split. Some of those speculations are defamatory and the writers are very careful to not directly state anything that would get them or their publication into legal problems. We should report the fact as sourced, we don't need to report the editorializing, speculation and beliefs of writers included in the factual reports. Geraldo Perez (talk) 17:03, 28 March 2018 (UTC)

The facts are staff at Nickelodeon have said Dan is an "a**hole", and has a bad temper. Numerous articles have reported the "cloud of suspicion" regarding his treatment of young actresses. Ghoul fleshtalk 23:27, 30 March 2018 (UTC)
Those supposed "facts" were never stated by Nick or Schneider as reason for them breaking ties. No source has stated that those supposed facts were the reason. Some sources have speculated that that may be the reason using the rhetorical trick of saying some thing happened then something else happened implication of causation but that is all anyone has done, speculated. There is a lot of gossip about his purported behavior but nothing backing it up. Geraldo Perez (talk) 01:04, 31 March 2018 (UTC)
Comes down to sources. Reddit, Twitter threads, Daily Mail, TMZ, National Enquirer, PageSix (NY Post) don't meet the bar when it comes to serious allegations. MaxBrowne (talk) 08:14, 31 March 2018 (UTC)
also don't forget that he is one of god's chosen people. so the allegations simply originate in antisemitism. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.81.225.81 (talk) 23:35, 13 November 2018 (UTC)
Nonsense. Sammartinlai (talk) 12:38, 1 December 2018 (UTC)
While there exist claims against Schneider that remain unsubstantiated, the existence of such claims are a fact of his biography. You cannot wish them away, and refusing to include them is a grave omission. As presented, they are neutrally stated, including claims from multiple sides of the story. Objectivity is the inclusion of multiple perspectives, meaning your wish to exclude certain facts is the subjective position, and frankly, biased and bizarre. Rorysolomon (talk) 05:32, 6 May 2019 (UTC)
Those claims in of themselves are unsubstantiated and are defamatory. The sources are passing rumors and we do not need to repeat them. Particularly we don't need to highlight it in a sections called "Controversy" which this is not. What we have that is neutral is that he and Nick parted ways and that is already in the article. Nothing more is needed. Geraldo Perez (talk) 05:41, 6 May 2019 (UTC)
Calling them "passing rumors" is a bald mischaracterization. They are in fact not passing and have dogged Schneider for years, refusing to dissipate. At this point, this controversy is a fact of his biography that warrants mention. It has been discussed and linked to his severance from Nickelodeon in multiple reputable news sources (New York Times, Washington Post). I am not mentioning the claims as fact, nor citing anonymous users on Twitter or Reddit. They have been discussed in newspapers of record and deserve objective mention in a discussion of his life. Your insistence on censoring that is inappropriate. Rorysolomon (talk) 15:22, 6 May 2019 (UTC)
Most of the sources pass WP:RS; the problem is that they don't state them as fact, which makes the statements rumors. For example, Deadline Hollywood reports: Among other things, I hear there had been multiple complaints of abusive behavior against Schneider filed by members of his staff. Emphasis mine. That is not fact, it is hearsay, gossip. Amaury (talk | contribs) 16:07, 6 May 2019 (UTC)
Fair enough. In that case let's include my edits but omit the Deadline Hollywood reports and rely only on the New York Times and Washington Post. To be clear, I did not add the Deadline story to the WP article. It was already referenced – which apparently GeraldoPerez is OK with – I only cited it again, but my edits stand alone without it. Frankly I'm amazed that GeraldoPerez feels he is in a better position than NY Times to determine whether certain claims pass muster. If he objects to the claim, perhaps he should petition NYT to issue a retraction. Until then, WP should mention the existence of this controversy as a fact of this person's biography. Rorysolomon (talk) 16:26, 6 May 2019 (UTC)
Their reports are based on Deadline Hollywood's report, which is the first site that reported the departure, so we cannot do that. Unless we have cold hard facts, not just hearsay, we shouldn't be reporting anything. You should have been here discussing this after you were first reverted, per WP:BRD, especially given that this material has been reverted or removed numerous times before. See Talk:Bella and the Bulldogs/Controversy for a similar example, in which editors tried to push for something that did not belong on the article. Amaury (talk | contribs) 16:49, 6 May 2019 (UTC)

───────────────────────── What we know and can reference is that Schneider and Nickelodeon split. People were surprised at that as Schneider seemed to be doing good work for them. There may have been a $7million payout as part of the split, and sources says that Schneider was a target of false on-line smears and the real reason for the split was management disagreements. We should not mention other people as that gives the appearance of being the same thing and what happened to Savino is much better supported. We should not be giving details about the content of the unsubstantiated rumors as that is the point that is potentially defamatory. As originally written the content paints a picture in the reader's mind of something that would be blatantly defamatory if directly stated. Everyone is careful to not be identified, no direct accusations are made and there is no proof provided. It would be different if someone had actually come forward and made a claim, but nobody has. That kind of content does not belong in this article. What NYT and WaPo chooses to published is their own editorial choices and we are not slaved to what they choose to do. If anything is added to the article, it should be a part of the previous paragraph that mentions his departure. It should not be a separate section and should avoid any mention of the details of any of the rumors. Geraldo Perez (talk) 18:42, 6 May 2019 (UTC)

Agree. In particular, I would like to point out the policy WP:BLPGOSSIP to Rorysolomon. --Chris (talk) 20:34, 6 May 2019 (UTC)
OK. Could someone advise the protocol to proceed here? Should I resubmit some text that is edited to be in agreement with this discussion? Rorysolomon (talk) 16:59, 7 May 2019 (UTC)
I'd recommend that you propose some text on this talk page, for two reasons: this will prevent another edit war, and we want to be mindful of WP:BLP. --Chris (talk) 17:48, 7 May 2019 (UTC)

Info on Nickelodeon dismissal in lead[edit]

Should we reference the info on the end of Dan's relationship with Nickelodeon in the lead? The lead isn't long enough as it is, and it seems important and noteworthy news. Just wanted to gather opinions here. StewdioMACK (talk) 07:48, 31 March 2018 (UTC)

Unless there is something noteworthy about the circumstances of his dismissal I suggest we leave it as is. As of now, all we know for sure is that Schneider's relationship with the network has ended. Majordouglas (talk) 20:58, 31 March 2018 (UTC)

Sexual assault allegations?[edit]

There is so much stuff on the internet. At the very least these allegations should be noted, no? Take this Huffington post article: Nickelodeon Cuts Ties With ‘iCarly’ Creator Dan Schneider After Alleged Abusive Behavior [1] from March 27 2018. Yotamnk (talk) 14:20, 25 June 2018 (UTC)

  • you cannot seriously think adding rumors to wikipedia is a good idea. if you have a credible source this matter can be reevaluated, but at the moment there is nothing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.81.225.81 (talk) 23:42, 13 November 2018 (UTC)
  • I've seen plenty of those allegations (and personally feel there's some fire with all the smoke); but feel hesitant with supporting adding something directly connected unless/until at least someone comes forward publicly with an allegation. WAVY 10 Fan (talk) 18:57, 25 June 2018 (UTC)
  • Please see the Poorly sourced allegations of impropriety topic above. --IJBall (contribstalk) 19:32, 1 August 2018 (UTC)

References

Semi-protected edit request on 30 August 2018[edit]

Please add a section called controversy and have a look at what i have written, its not slanderous as i am following the rules, many people want to know what was happening with Nickelodeon and Dan Schneider so this is an important piece to this wiki as there are lots of people who wanted to know

Controversy

Dan Schneider has made it a reoccurring joke to include scenes with the young stars feet throughout his shows , many viewers of his shows such as iCarly initially thought of it as an ongoing joke this has been apparent on social media where he requested on the Sam & Cat twitter page to get the audience (being young children) to send picture of their feet with the hashtags to get a retweet and a following ontop of many other occurences of this behaviour on twitter, this aroused alot of suspicion and has influenced his termination from Nickelodeon.

This has been noticed throughout social media accounts and numerous times on shows produced by him and as a result there has been media backlash and evidence proving this. Nickelodeon cancelled the show Game Shakers after 3 seasons his termination was reportedly due to aggressive behavior and hearsay of how he was treating the young stars in a derogatory manner. MrShroomsy (talk) 17:12, 30 August 2018 (UTC)

 Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. - FlightTime (open channel) 17:14, 30 August 2018 (UTC)
do you have any sources for your claims? i would be very surprised if you did.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.81.225.81 (talk) 23:44, 13 November 2018 (UTC)


Date of Birth....can wikipedia add it ?[edit]

I think it would help the article a lot if wikipedia could figure out what his birthday is and list it instead of the 1965/66 as it is current listed. I googled his birthday and according to the results his birthday is January 14, 1966. It would be great if we could verify this date or another date and add to his page...again not really sure why this is being removed from a TALK PAGE not the article itself thanks 70.59.74.26 (talk) 23:32, 19 January 2019 (UTC) [1] imdb lists it as Jan 14, 1966 70.59.74.26 (talk) 23:36, 19 January 2019 (UTC)

IMDb is not a reliable source, especially not for WP:BLP info. Amaury (talk | contribs) 23:44, 19 January 2019 (UTC)

thank you what would be a reliable source to add a date of birth? 70.59.74.26 (talk) 23:53, 19 January 2019 (UTC)

Dan Schneider is Jewish[edit]

He is Jewish, according to this wholesosme actor named Nathan Kress from Schneider's show iCarly: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ud2btHsWgyM &listen to 7:10. TZlvyA (talk) 02:38, 19 February 2019 (UTC)

Can't use that video as a source since it's from a random YouTube user. Amaury (talk | contribs) 03:41, 19 February 2019 (UTC)
We can only use Schneider's direct words for this or some reliable secondary source. What Kress says can't be used. Geraldo Perez (talk) 04:48, 19 February 2019 (UTC)