Talk:Daniel Barenboim

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Issue[edit]

Someone familiar with the facts needs to replace words like "now" and "recently" so they won't soon become obsolete. -- zero 14:39, 21 Aug 2003 (UTC)

Israeli?[edit]

He was born in Argentina and has argentinian nationality...


I am watching an interview with Barenboim as we speak and he just mentioned that he went to school in Israel because his parents didn't want him to live as a "minority" in Argentina. I guess that means he considers himself Israeli.
He means *his parents* considered themselves Israeli. Being one of the very few Israeli-Palestinian dual citizen, I guess he's not so uncomfortable with being part of a minority. User:Cerniagigante
oktay 01:36, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
Why don't we say "Argentine-Israeli"? I've seen that on several other websites...That might cover both fields, no? --~~MusicalConnoisseur~~ Got Classical? 21:34, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
He has Argentinian, Israeli and Spanish nationality, on top of the "Palestinian" passport. Thanks

Barenboim, du Pré and Bashkirova[edit]

In this article, it reads:

In the last years of du Pre's life, Barenboim secretly set up home in Paris with pianist Elena Bashkirova, and fathered two children by her.

In the article about du Pré, however, the word "secretly" is not used; on the contrary, it is mentioned that the new relationship was set up "with his wife's consent".

Could someone with more knowledge please clear this conflict? -- SirWoland 17:36, 22 August 2005 (UTC)


Is it really necessary to include all of this very private stuff in the article? I'd prefer that it just be left out: irrelevant to the guy's career, for which he's known, and makes the article sound trashy -- Wikipedia becomes People Magazine... So what if it was "in a movie"?
--Kessler 20:34, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
Sort of along the same lines, "Du Pré developed advanced multiple sclerosis, and in the early 1980s Barenboim lived with pianist Elena Bashkirova and fathered two children (David and Michael) with Bashkirova before his wife's death." makes it sounds like there's a cause effect relationship between developing MS and getting married :)
oktay 01:33, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

overuse of [[]][edit]

Would someone pls explain to me what the point is of surrounding every proper noun or date or numeral with [[]], and what Wikipedia policy on this is?

Seems to me it's overkill, as recently applied in this article and elsewhere: usual editing practice, for this sort of thing, is to show diacriticals in the first instance but then omit them in following -- ditto spelling out abbreviations -- including them for everything makes the article unreadable, IMHO.

--Kessler 22:00, 18 October 2005 (UTC)

Father's name[edit]

His parents were Russian Jews, yet his father's name is given as "Enrique". This is a common name in Spanish speaking countries, but the Russian equivalent "Genrikh" is a very unusual name in Russia. Was there a name change somewhere along the way? JackofOz 12:25, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

POV/Verifiability Problems[edit]

The newly added section on "His Music" suffered from serious WP:NPOV and Wikipedia:Verifiability problems. I've tried to fix most of the POV, but a lot of the new material is not backed up with citations. Grover cleveland 08:42, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

The POV problems that were removed were the result of a contributor inserting what appear to be his or her own opinions into the article. Here's an example
As for his interpretation, he tends not to impose a rather far-reaching personal interpretation when playing.
Inasmuch as this sentence means anything at all, it is clearly a value judgment, not a statement of undisputed fact. Therefore it should be reported by attributing that opinion to a critic or other observer and including Verifiable citation information. For example:
critic X has claimed that Barenboim tends not to impose a personal interpretation when playing (see New York Times, Arts section, 2 March 2001, p. 25).
Such value judgments should not be baldly asserted by Wikipedia. See WP:NPOV: "assert facts, including facts about opinions — but do not assert opinions themselves". Grover cleveland 09:52, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

Damage[edit]

Some damage has been done to this page by a red-linked user. I have attempted repair, but there is a duplicate Awards section after the references that I don't know how to get rid of: anyway, it is doing no harm. Rothorpe 22:06, 7 October 2007 (UTC)


Photograph[edit]

I'm wondering if a better, free-license photograph is available. It really doesn't show much of his face...or is that too petty? --~~MusicalConnoisseur~~ Got Classical? 21:37, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

Polyglot[edit]

This was removed after the last edit to revert POV (by the way I'm fine with the edit):

This alone seems to be NPOV, or at the very most only a little POV; should this be added back in? I don't see a problem with it (although it should probably be referenced). —  $PЯINGεrαgђ  04:40 3 July, 2008 (UTC)

I don't see a NPOV problem with this edit either. Probably the adjective "consummate" is unnecessary and could be considered to be non Neutral Point of View. It should be referenced though; I think this shouldn't be too difficult.--Atavi (talk) 07:17, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
I worded it carefully, since I otherwise might have put it too POV. —  $PЯINGεrαgђ  04:47 4 July, 2008 (UTC)

Conductor at the 2006 New Year's Eve Concert[edit]

Hi All,
I've included just a brief reference to this fact, with a link to an article in the argentinian newspaper "Clarín". I'll provide more information about this performance once I get back my copy of the DVD about this concert. Which, by the way, I enjoyed very much!
Kind regards, DPdH (talk) 06:10, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

Palestinian citizenship?[edit]

The beginning of the article contains the following sentence"

"He lives in Berlin and holds citizenship in Argentina, Israel, Spain and Palestine."

I don't see how that's possible since Palestine isn't a country anymore. Tad Lincoln (talk) —Preceding undated comment was added at 06:43, 23 January 2009 (UTC).

I found a rather descriptive reference to the controversy over Daniel Barenboim's citizenship.


Israeli pianist Barenboim takes Palestinian passport
Reuters via Ynet
Tani Goldstein contributed to this report
First Published: 01.13.08
Latest Update: 01.14.08
http://www.ynet.co.il/english/articles/0,7340,L-3493612,00.html
Despite strong objections from Israeli politicians to Israeli pianist Daniel Barenboim's act of accepting a Palestinian passport, Interior Minister Meir Sheetrit has no plans to annul his Israeli citizenship. Shas faction chairman, MK Yakov Margi, was quick to denounce Barenboim and call for his status as an Israeli citizen to be annulled. "It's an embarrassment to the State that a person like this has Israeli citizenship...I am sure that in the eyes of Israeli citizens, he has lost the moral authority to be Israeli." Interior Minister Sheetrit told Ynet that "the matter is not even up for discussion." PinkWorld (talk) 14:24, 8 April 2009 (UTC)Pink

Wow, um, that doesn't answer my question at all. What I was saying was that Palestine is not a country. So he has been granted citizenship by the Palestinian Authority, not by Palestine. It doesn't really matter anyway, as I changed it a while back to reflect this. Tad Lincoln (talk) 20:00, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

Accuracy?[edit]

"Wagner's music had been unofficially tabooed in Israel's concert halls after 1938 because of the use Nazi Germany made of Wagner

Since Israel has only existed since 1948 how could there be such a taboo in Israeli concert halls in 1938? The area was the British Mandate for Palestine in 1938. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.13.26.91 (talk) 10:40, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

Infobox[edit]

Absent consensus disagreement, I'll add an infobox, in accordance with bios on the rest of the Project.--Epeefleche (talk) 01:36, 28 August 2011 (UTC)

Knighthood[edit]

Barenboim was knighted, true but can I raise a couple of points? Firstly this was an Honoury knighthood due to the non british citizenship and therefor it should mention this as there is a difference. Also the ref needs reformatting in relation to this as it is at risk of possible link rot in the future see Wikipedia:Link rot Cassianto (talk) 02:24, 13 November 2011 (UTC) Unless Barenboim himself does so, I don't care for the affixing of "KBE" to his name. It seems to elevate the authority of the British govt over others. An American who'd received the presidential medal of freedom wouldn't known as John Doe PMF.

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“This is not a forum for general discussion of the article's subject.”[edit]

Of course, this is a forum for general discussion of the article's subject. Otherwise, it has no reason for existing. This page has two names: the “talk page” and the “discussion page.” It is not called the “censorship page” or the “inhibitions page.” Whenever someone puts up that phony order, it means that he has a POV that he is pushing, which he is hiding behind his feigned objectivity. At Wikipedia, many such someones push their POVs with great obnoxiousness. Ignore such POV-pushers, and carry on with your general discussion. 24.90.188.108 (talk) 00:18, 26 September 2012 (UTC)

COI?[edit]

Why does this article have a COI template? Alexbrn (talk) 08:05, 3 January 2013 (UTC)

The template was added by Chase me ladies, I'm the Cavalry (talk · contribs · logs) in May 2012, most likely to flag the biography section which was then recently expanded a lot by Bernie44 (talk · contribs · logs). The section is well sourced now, So I'm removing the tag. Michaelzeng7 (talk) 01:03, 2 March 2013 (UTC)

EARLY ACHEIVEMENTS[edit]

I have early memory of Barenboim travelling to Russia in 1950's to perform as a young pianist and win Tchaikovsky (Prize?). Could anyone remember this and provide factual details? Laletin (talk) 22:57, 1 January 2014 (UTC)


Are you sure you are not confusing him with Van Cliburn, who famously won the Tchaikovsky prize at the height of the Cold War? Partnerfrance (talk) 16:46, 31 January 2014 (UTC)