Talk:David Ray Griffin

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More Theology[edit]

For a article on a theologian there is remarkably little on the subject of theology to be found on this entry. Harpakhrad11 (talk) 03:00, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

Voice-morphing claims[edit]

A page on David Ray Griffin should carry some mention of his claims on voice-morphing technology having been used to fake calls from passengers. Although other people have considered the idea, I don't know of anyone else who has persisted as far with this as Griffin. Grifin's repeated returns to the topic of voice-morphing and faked calls are definitely a personal mark of distinction of his, for better or worse. Something should be said about this in the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.86.226.21 (talk) 12:29, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

Kevin Barrett[edit]

I don't mind a brief mention of Griffin's endoresment of Barrett's congressional campagin. However, I'm not sure if it is really relevant.

I do have a problem with the rest of the paragraph which mentions a number of controversial statements made by Barrett over the years. It seems to suggest, falsely, that Griffin endorses all of Barrett's views. These section should be removed.

In any case, this article is about Griffin, not Barrett. That info belongs on Barrett's article.

~~Urbie —Preceding unsigned comment added by Urbie (talkcontribs) 22:20, 31 December 2008 (UTC)


It would appear that Dr. Griffin does support Dr. Barrett's views, else why would he have made the endorsement? Contrivance (talk) 22:24, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

--It doesn't logically follow that Griffin endorses all of Barrett's statements or views simply because he endorsed his congressional campaign.Urbie —Preceding undated comment was added at 00:25, 1 January 2009 (UTC).

Perhaps it doesn't logically follow in terms of philosophical logic. In terms of pragmatic logic the assumption seems reasonable that when someone endorses a politician whose extreme and irrational statements are his claim to fame, the endorser agrees with the statements. In any case, the endorsement serves as an indicator of Dr. Griffin's character--whether he is a nutcase like Barrett, simply careless in his endorsements, or demonstrating a high degree of personal loyalty to an old friend remains to be seen. Contrivance (talk) 02:22, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

What is THIS tripe doing on Wiki?: 'Barrett is widely regarded[citation needed] in the 9/11 Truth movement as an irresponsible advocate of discrediting ideas, one given to extreme and illogical statements and anti-semitism.[citation needed] Barrett received 2 percent of the vote in his Congressional district.[citation needed]'

Please remove at once...or is WIKI trying to show its not an encyclopedia at all? (Brian, Australia) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.202.43.53 (talk) 22:45, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

Book: Latest edition of Debunking 9/11 Debunking?[edit]

There is a white covered version with 'Revised and Updated Edition' written on the cover (Olive Branch Press; Revised and updated edition (March 30, 2007)) and a black covered edition without a comment on being updated on the cover but is by Arris Books (21 Jun 2007). Although the publication date shows the newest published one, it is by different publishers so which is the latest one with newest information?

The white cover with 'Updated' is the latest version. Although the black cover was released later, it is only the UK published version of the original older book.

Book: Different forwords to 'New Pearl Harbor'?[edit]

The original printing had Richard Falk and the update Michael Meacher. Why remove Falks? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.96.24.33 (talk) 12:55, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

Book: Osama Bin Laden: Dead or Alive?[edit]

His new book, 'Osama Bin Laden: Dead or Alive?' will be released, I believe, in May 2009.

ANY COHERENT/RATIONAL DISCUSSION ON THE ARTICLE "David Ray Griffin" BEGINS HERE…[edit]

Seriously, children, this isn't the place to discuss Zionism, all CTs being crazy, and how DRG's being a theologian somehow instantly disqualifies him from doing any empirical research. For THAT kind of discussion, please try a newsgroup or a chatroom—or why not start your own blog of unsubstantiated claims? The article is supposed to be informative, NOT persuasive—same thing for the discussion pages. Your opinions on whether or not 9/11 was an inside job do not belong here. This is not the place to make those claims. They are entirely immaterial. Moreover, Wikipedia is not a platform for demagogues and thought police. The purpose of this discussion page is to discuss the article to which it belongs and suggest any grammatical, formatting, and citational corrections and/or improvements to the quality of the article according to WP conventions. Is that so difficult to understand? Thank you.—Strabismus (talk) 20:35, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

Long, very detailed interview with Griffin[edit]

This is a long, detailed interview with Griffin which gained wide currency on the Web: http://www.globalpolitician.com/25203--terror 77.28.14.149 (talk) 16:18, 6 September 2011 (UTC)

Where is Unsnarling the World-Knot?[edit]

David Ray Griffin's 1998 celebrated book on panpsychism, Unsnarling the World-knot, is missing from the biography and bibliography. I consider the book to be one of the most important books EVER WRITTEN! and its absence is distressing. 207.181.239.79 (talk) 16:55, 17 May 2014 (UTC)Jeff Graubart

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Controversy Section - From theologian to conspiracy theorist[edit]

This article should have a "Controversy" section, that acknowledges the deep divisions that Prof Griffin's transition from the role of leading advocate of Whitehead's Process Philosophy, to leading advocate for the Truther movement? It should surely be acknowledged that Griffin's transitions from being a highly respected academic figure (the co-editor of Whitehead's pivotal philosophical text, and a leading spokesman for the US Claremont based Process Philosophy / Theology school of thought) was both disconcerting and embarrassing for many of his erstwhile colleagues. A summary of how academia responds when one of their own goes rogue and becomes the leading spokesperson for an assorted group of conspiracy theorists is a crucial but missing aspect of this biography. Asd154 (talk) 00:31, 22 June 2016 (UTC)

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