Talk:David Weber

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Templates[edit]

Please don't add any templates of his various books series here. We don't even have the {{Honorverse}} template here. Because this is an article about the writer, not about his works. Templates about his work should be added to articles about those works. Debresser (talk) 13:43, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

I don't see why not. The templates may contain links not already on the page, and serve as easy navigation for related articles. And what does "Those have articles per series or even per book." mean? The sentence makes no sense. ···日本穣? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 17:05, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
I rewrote it. I agree it was uncomprehensible. Now it says what I had in mind.
Please note that two editors have already reverted you, and that within a few hours. That would seem like a pretty strong indication you are confusing some things with putting these templates. (So far just one of them, but the same holds true for the other templates for works of David Weber as well.) Debresser (talk) 02:05, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
I'm not confused about anything. I know how things work here, and have tens of thousands of edits to prove it. Saying that I'm confused is not assuming good faith on the part of my actions. I'd like to know why you think the template doesn't belong here. Is it somehow cluttering the page? I don't think it is since it's (by default) collapsed and placed at the very bottom of the page. Is there some other reason you don't think it belongs here? ···日本穣? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 03:15, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
Sorry, if I gave you the impression I don't appreciate your experience on Wikipedia. I do.
I gave you the reason why I think the template and the article do not go together. It is in the very first post of this section, beginning with "because...".
There are indeed articles about authors that have footer templates about their works. But if so, then we should have all templates of all his works. Putting just 1 template about 1 series of his books, and not even his most famous one, is not consistent. Debresser (talk) 07:15, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
I would support doing that. All the nav templates collapse when there are more than three of them, so I don't think it would be too invasive. ···日本穣? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 08:53, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
I'd have absolutely no problem with that. But I did have a look at Asimov and Frank Herbert, and they do not have it either. So I just don't know whether it is a good idea. Debresser (talk) 10:08, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

Out of the Dark[edit]

I've created a stub for this book over here. Anyone who can whip up a plot section or expand it further will be appreciated. ···日本穣? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WikiProject Japan! 07:49, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

Could somebody please add a chronological order for his books? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.226.90.196 (talk) 23:20, 21 October 2011 (UTC)

Subjective and Print Chronology of Hh titles[edit]

The entries in red, where Honor is the protagonist, must have be speculative or working tiles; though publication dates are in the future. The list of Honor Centric books is not complete — Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.1.212.77 (talk) 17:48, 4 November 2011 (UTC)

Reasons for added the clean up messages[edit]

Quoting from Thumperward's Talk page:

The article is nearly all jammed into one section, which has too many subheadings. As a biography, the article should focus on Weber himself and not just on a list of his works. Instead, the fragments of the article which actually discuss Weber's life are either placed in the lead section (which should really be a summary of the article's key points) or in scattered sentences in the "his works" section which is far too closely paraphrased from the sources (source 7 in particular is liberally copied from with the pronouns swapped out for the third person). It's not quite at the "full rewrite" stage (although the close paraphrasing must be eliminated), but the layout certainly needs to be heavily rethought. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 21:38, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

The current reference no. 7 is: Stephen Hunt (2002). "In Honor I gained them". SF Crowsnest.com. Retrieved February 2, 2011. DocWatson42 (talk) 07:48, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

Since I made that comment I've done some work on reorganising the content. However the paraphrasing problem remains: pretty much every sentence in that section is derived directly from the associated source with only light editing (for instance punctuation or pronouns). Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 08:55, 29 August 2012 (UTC)
If the content is appropriate, and the wording fluently integrated, then close paraphrasing need not be a problem. Debresser (talk) 18:13, 29 August 2012 (UTC)
It may not be a direct legal problem, but it is certainly not the best format for presenting content. The section in question should be the centrepiece of this article, and it would obviously be best if the centrepiece of the article were written in our own words. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 07:58, 30 August 2012 (UTC)
If the wording from close paraphrasing is in any way of lesser quality, then I agree. If the wording is optimal, then I think we do nobody a service by changing it. Debresser (talk) 21:01, 30 August 2012 (UTC)
The tag listed this article at the copyright problems board for attention of an uninvolved admin. Close paraphrasing is a legal problem; see meta:Wikilegal/Close Paraphrasing. Beyond this, it is against local policy and practices. WP:C says "Therefore, it is legal to read an encyclopedia article or other work, reformulate the concepts in your own words, and submit it to Wikipedia, so long as you do not follow the source too closely." See also Wikipedia:Copy-paste. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 13:26, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

Copyright problem removed[edit]

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German version of the book. Trivia ?[edit]

Odd thing... I just discovered that these books are translated/published in the German language as e-books (Nook) but under the series title "Nimue Alban" rather than "Safehold". I also noticed that each book is split in half resulting in two volumes of German for each English Volume. Finally I noticed that the German e-version costs $12US for one "half" of the original book whereas the English hardbound version costs about $9 for "whole" book, printed on paper and hardbound (the English e-book costs about $7). These prices exclude the most recent volume which is about $21. SOURCE: http://www.barnesandnoble.com/s/?series_id=581645

There is no Safehold page at DE.WP but a text search for "Nimue Alban" finds German language Wikipedia which shows this list: Safehold (Nimue Alban)

   Vol. 1: Off Armageddon Reef
       Band 1: Operation Arche
       Band 2: Der Krieg der Ketzer
   Vol. 2: By Schism Rent Asunder
       Band 3: Codename: Merlin
       Band 4: Die Flotte von Charis
   Vol. 3: By Heresies Distressed
       Band 5: Die Invasion
       Band 6: Cayleb's Plan
   Vol. 4: A Mighty Fortress
       Band 7: Die Eiserne Festung
       Band 8: Haus der Lügen
   Vol. 5: How Firm a Foundation
       Band 9: Die Übermacht
       Band 10: Der Verrat
   Vol. 6: Midst Toil and Tribulation
       Band 11: Kampf um die Siddarmark
       Band 12: Der Kriegermönch
   Vol. 7: Like a Mighty Army
       Band 13: Die Streitmacht
       Band 14: Mit Dampf und Donner

All seems very odd to me that a translation costs more than 300% the price of the original (as an ebook) but I have no idea how the world of translating published books works. 104.32.201.0 (talk) 16:12, 29 April 2015 (UTC)

Yeah, publishers around the world charge what they charge. They do this in Japan, too. ···日本穣? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 16:39, 29 April 2015 (UTC)
It is probably a good idea to mention the translation of this series on the Safehold article. Debresser (talk) 22:14, 29 April 2015 (UTC)