Talk:de Sitter space
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It would be great if there was a plain English summary of what de-Sitter space is. Or at least a link to another website where there is an explanation of what de-Sitter space is. Is de-Sitter space space of a certain shape? After reading this article I still have no idea what de-Sitter space is. It seems to me that Wikipedia articles should be written with lay people in mind. This article seems to be highly technical. Dedwarmo (talk) 15:28, 10 April 2013 (UTC)
- Its a highly technical topic. Start by reading the linked articles; they provide background. User:Linas (talk) 04:30, 3 November 2013 (UTC)
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|Geometry guy 21:20, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
The problem I have with this article is I doubt anyone but hard core physicists can understand what is trying to be conveyed. In that this encyclopedia suppose to be for a general audience I would think a verbalized non-formulated explanation of De Sitter space would be more useful.
May I suggest the follwing link is a possible alternative: =560692
==Agreed==User:Geometry guy, I totally agree. Dedwarmo (talk) 15:29, 10 April 2013 (UTC)
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Defining characteristics of a de Sitter space?
Defining a de Sitter space as a submanifold of a Minkowski space using a vector space as given in the article is unambiguous, but is not ideal as a general mathematical definition, since it relies on embedding and coordinates. If there is another definition along the lines of "a real Lorentzian manifold of dimension n that is maximally symmetric and has constant positive curvature", this would be worth giving. What I have given in quotes defines it locally, and It would be worthwhile noting in the article that other spaces (with distinct topologies) exist with the same local description. For example, in the vector space definition if we identify every point in a de Sitter space with that opposite the origin, we obtain a space with the topology of a punctured projective space (e.g. a Möbius strip for n=2). Such a space is not simply connected, and is not necessarily nonphysical as a model of the universe, notwithstanding the argument that paths exist that reverse the direction of time. Are there any references that discuss these possibilities? —Quondum 20:37, 26 May 2016 (UTC)
Are the definitions in terms of induced metric from ambient space with the given Miknowski metric (mostly plus convention) and the definition as a homogeneous space as the quotient O(1; n)/O(1; n – 1) and the mention of the Lorentz group as being O(1; n) really in compliance? YohanN7 (talk) 10:44, 9 December 2016 (UTC)
Last paragraph in lead,
- More recently it has been considered as the setting for special relativity rather than using Minkowski space, since a group contraction reduces the isometry group of de Sitter space to the Poincaré group, allowing a unification of the spacetime translation subgroup and Lorentz transformation subgroup of the Poincaré group into a simple group rather than a semi-simple group. This alternate formulation of special relativity is called de Sitter relativity.
Merge with De Sitter universe
I propose that De Sitter universe be merged into this article. There doesn't seem to be any reason why the two articles should be separate. Thoughts?
I oppose the suggestion. The De Sitter space article is written for scientists who (probably already) understand the mathematics of a De Sitter space. While it has issues, the De Sitter universe article is written for ordinary people who want to understand what a De Sitter space means in the context of cosmology.Work permit (talk) 17:10, 14 April 2017 (UTC)