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Arab numbers[edit]

The census does list Dearborn as having the largest percent in the US. The problem is the census allows you to pick Arab or something else. It's like Hispanic. In Los Angeles they have a large number of Iranians but they call themselves Persians. Dearborn certainly doesn't have the largest community. Because they have a large percent they do have a little influence, but some of the Persians in LA are quite wealthy. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by (talkcontribs) . April 27, 2006 11:40 (UTC)

No, the census states Dearborn has the largest percentage of Arabs for a city its size (that is, one of about 100,000 people. It's important to be accurate.--Parkwells (talk) 00:29, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

What does "Dearborn is also home to the largest Arabic community outside of the Middle East" mean? The article already states there are more Arab Americans in New York. England, France, Algeria, and Indonesia also have huge muslim communities, there are over 600 000 in London alone. -- Corvus 9 July 2005 16:52 (UTC)

There are more Arabs in Montreal alone than in Dearborn. Just the Lebanese in Montreal is 50,000, this does not even include the other arabic nations. It should also be noted that 80% aprox. of the Arab population in the United States is of Christian faith. -- Eternalsleeper

The statement is outdated, so I removed it and moved the link for the mosque up to the 2nd paragraph. BrainyBroad 06:08, August 2, 2005 (UTC)

It should have stated largest concentration per sqaure mile.

That would be an interesting fact to include if you have some documentation to support it. BrainyBroad 15:24, August 12, 2005 (UTC)
Do the math. Look at any other Arab population and see if they're at least 1,000 per square mile for the entire city. I punched the numbers from the page and got 1231.36/mi^2. MMetro 08:25, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

Only 30% of Dearobrn's adult population is Arabic. As for the children, that is another story.

Sorry, I haven't got a source either, but the following has often been confirmed to me as correct: "Arabs" in general apart, Dearborn is the second largest Syrian city in the world after Damascus. The Detroit "leakage" of Muslims when it looked as if the city was going to become all African-American was of Syrians, most of whom didn't go very far - hence the lavish mosque in London, Ontario.

Dearborn natives?[edit]

Many of these people listed as Dearborn natives are noted as being born elsewhere if you look at their individual wikipedia articles. Cyberdrip (talk) 20:19, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

Four have articles that say Dearborn. Three of the others say Detroit which is often used instead of the actual city in the Metro Detroit area so it may be correct to include them here. Two of the articles don't list a city at all. And one specifics a small city in the Metro Detroit area or possibly another city further away, it doesn't specify which. I think it would be best to leave them until someone locates a primary source to check the cities. CCWorld 00:02, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Segregation and Anti-Semitism[edit]

There is a reference in the article to "de facto segregation". Does this mean to say "de facto exclusion of Blacks"? There was nothing notable at all about segregation (races living in separate parts of town) in a Northern U.S. city up to the 1960s (and it's really not all that uncommon even today), but complete or near-complete exclusion would be notable. I ask because someone has added Dearborn to sundown town saying to see the article, which I did, and it doesn't really say this. Nor, as far as I can see does it provide a citation. - Jmabel | Talk 23:55, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

    • Yes, under former mayor Hubbard, Dearborn was known as a place blacks, in particular, shouldn't go. In fact, he was one of the most famous segregationists of the North. --Criticalthinker 06:19, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
There was some 80's bruhaha about the ordinance restricting public parks to Dearborn residents, when the NAACP or someone else organized a boycott of Fairlane Town Center. MMetro 08:57, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Jews were unwelcome in Dearborn at least up until the late 60s, when my father-in-law was most unwelcome, living as a closeted Jew. My wife, although not technically Jewish, was enthusiastically unwelcomed also. For all I know, Jews may be still. OR, but if anyone cares, there may a source somewhere. Kind of grotesquely ironic the way it turned out.Jackaroodave (talk) 13:39, 20 August 2013 (UTC)

sources for timeline?[edit]

Does anyone known what sources were used for the historical timeline? Just curious because the timeline states that Greenfield Township annexed part of Springwells Township and then vice versa a few years later. This sound very odd because, AFAIK, it is not possible for a township to annex land from another township. Townships are not incorporated muncipalities and do not have the power to annex land -- their boundaries are determined, first by the state and secondarily by the county. It might perhaps be possible that state or county authorities adjusted the boundaries of the townships, but I would be extremely interested in any verifiable sources that indicate the townships "annexed" land from another township. olderwiser 00:29, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Not sure what the editors used, but the Dearborn Historical Society usually has a display at Dearborn Homecoming, a summer festival, and I think the info matches. Originally, Springwells Township was huge, I think it included Redford Township. It was divided, obviously, perhaps by survey township guidelines and incorporation, until the last remnants of Dearborn Township incorporated as Dearborn Heights. MMetro 08:25, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

henry ford[edit]

Removed paragraph about the henry ford museum being A) the most popular tourist attraction in michigan, and B) the largest indoor/outdoor museum complex in the USA. Both of these are incorrect. If someone can cite sources verifying this information, it should be reentered.

Wikipedia prefers narrative to lists[edit]

The article would be better if more items from the timelines were incorporated into narrative. There are too many details.--Parkwells (talk) 16:17, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

Removed paragraph about the henry ford museum being A) the most popular tourist attraction in michigan, and B) the largest indoor/outdoor museum complex in the USA. Both of these are incorrect. If someone can cite sources verifying this information, it should be reentered. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 15:02, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

Arabs Don't Contribute[edit]

Removed the line "In January 2005, a new Arab American National Museum opened to mark the ethnic group's history and contributions to this country." Arabs offer no contributions to this society in any way, shape, or form. If this is incorrect, which it isn't, please cite your sources. —Preceding unsigned comment added by CBrandt1337 (talkcontribs) 05:29, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

  • CBrant: 1. That statement is unacceptable. Racism is not allowed on Wikipedia. 2. Your statement has no source, so even if it had a chance of being true, you have the responsibility of sourcing it. WhisperToMe (talk) 20:43, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
  • WhisperToMe: The quote I originally took out was for the exact reason you are criticizing me; it has no sources. My reasoning for taking it out even states that. Please, read before you talk. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 06:55, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

Unsourced Racism[edit]

This line is without a source, and seems blatantly racist: The Arab American population has settled primarily on the city's eastern side, though in recent years it has expanded west. This has been dubbed by local westerners as the "Brown Plague".

Unless it has a citation, it should be removed. As stated in the post above me, racism is not allowed on Wikipedia. (talk) 20:09, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

Christians Arrested[edit]

Is this worth a mention - ? (talk) 12:13, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

New controversy over religious free speech[edit]

with the new events that occurred today involving terry jones' imprisonment and the protest controversy, I expanded the short section on the religious free speech controversies with additional citations to the actual videos and news reports about the goings-on. I also added a short section on the controversy concerning Terry Jones, citing the detroit news article for the information. due to this addition, I made a subheading under "popular culture", where the original info had been. If there are any qualms about the sources or violations of the npov wikipedia policy, please discuss them here, as I am sure that there will be additional controversy over these events in the future, and would prefer not to have to request that the page be locked due to a editing war by biased third parties. Phd jp (talk) 03:17, 23 April 2011 (UTC)

Suggestion a new page should be added dealing with the Free speach issue. I see nothing was said about the assults of water bottles, pop cans and stones

--OxAO (talk) 02:40, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

== Religious free speech controversies

I removed the racist uncited First paragraph The "Religious free speech controversies" section is pretty bad in its current state. It seems to be the most contested part of the page, with changes in an attempt to remove the NPOV.

  • The first bullet point about the call to prayer issue is cited by a right-wing YouTube video of some person on the street. I doubt that counts as the plural form that the page purports as citing "residents."
  • User:Bebop2491 deleting the references about what the Christian missionaries had done to protest seems out of character for the rest of the section, since the other points have no problem going into some detail. Either the whole section should be shortened or we list painstakingly every side's grievances for NPOV and completeness. BrotherSulayman (talk) 11:25, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
Thank you for cleaning up the formatting in this section and removing the unsourced first bullet. I corrected Angle's home state (Nevada, not Texas), and corrected the original "peace bond" amount demanded by the local government ($45k not $1). I feel that your edits are mildly POV, in that they attempt to whitewash the scenario and in that they introduce negative statements about the parties affiliated with Jones that are irrelevant to the point of the section, but I did not substantially alter them. I reintroduced one or two minor things, like the note about why the "peace bond" was demanded by the Dearborn government (the crux of the whole controversy), that are important to understanding the main point of the section. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Phd jp (talkcontribs) 10:31, 29 February 2012 (UTC)

Fistful of Dearborn[edit]

A fictional version of Dearborn is featured early on in the video game 'Evil Dead: Fistful of Boomstick'. Lots42 (talk) 11:08, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

DFCU Financial[edit]

An editor keeps removing mention of this Dearborn business based on the reasoning "I don't want it here". Considering that this business has it own referenced Wikipedia article and is quite a large bank, I feel that it should be mentioned in the business section here. Rmhermen (talk) 16:58, 14 July 2013 (UTC)

Please add link on "Springwells" to Springwells_Township[edit]

1. Please add a link from the word "Springwells" to Springwells_Township, i.e. Springwells. 2. A new page should be created for defunct Dearborn Township, probably named Dearborn_Township,_Michigan similar in format to the Greenfield_Township,_Michigan page. 3. At "... the American Revolutionary War.[8] The village of Dearbornville was established in 1836 ...." change to "... the American Revolutionary War.[8] Population growth led to Dearborn Township being formed in 1833 and the village of Dearbornville within it being established in 1836...." — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 21:05, 29 December 2013 (UTC)

Yes check.svg Done for 1 and 3. To start an article, you can create an account and do it yourself or make a request. -- Irn (talk) 21:18, 29 December 2013 (UTC)

Dearborn Public Library - Arabic names[edit]

According to the Arabic Translation of the Code of Conduct

  • Dearborn Public Library is written as "مكتبة ديربورن العامّة" - Is the correct way really "المكتبة العامة ديربورن"?
  • Henry Ford Centennial Library is written as "مكتبة هنري فورد في ديربورن"
  • Bryant Library is written as "مكتبة بريانت في ديربورن"
  • Esper Library is written as "مكتبة أسبر في ديربورن"

WhisperToMe (talk) 16:01, 8 March 2014 (UTC)