Talk:Death of Aiyana Jones

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Title?[edit]

Shouldn't it be changed? While the event is notable, the person is only notable due to the event. - The New Age Retro Hippie used Ruler! Now, he can figure out the length of things easily. 00:34, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

I agree with you based on Wikipedia:Notability (people)#People_notable_only_for_one_event. I created the article as Murder of Aiyana Jones, and had Aiyana Jones redirect to it, but someone else changed it. Back on the Chain Gang (talk) 15:39, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
That's not exactly an accurate title, though; it lacks both the intent to kill and the gross negligence. Calling it murder is speculative. - The New Age Retro Hippie used Ruler! Now, he can figure out the length of things easily. 16:09, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
The guy fired a gun into a house. How is that not "intent to kill" and "gross negligence"? Back on the Chain Gang (talk) 15:03, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
Because the gun accidentally misfired, and was not going for her. Let's not throw our own hyperbole into this. We do NOT have all the facts, so describing it as a murder is absurd, reactionary, and in violation of the NPOV policy. - The New Age Retro Hippie used Ruler! Now, he can figure out the length of things easily. 19:02, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
At the time I created the article, the source said the video showed the police firing his gun from outside the house. Now there is controversy as to what is on the video. If it does in fact turn out that he fired the gun from outside the house, then that would be deliberate. Also, a gun does not "accidentally" go off. One of the basic rules for gun safety is that you never put your finger on the trigger until you are ready to shoot - I would think that all police officers are required to take a class in proper use of a gun. If it turns out that he did fire the shot from outside, then it could not have been an accident. If this had been done by a civilian instead of a police officer, no one would be calling it an "accident." However, I will rely on whatever the consensus says to determine what the article should be called, and you're right about us not knowing all the fact. Back on the Chain Gang (talk) 18:06, 21 May 2010 (UTC)
It is not murder. If he is charged with murder, it's murder. Murder is a LEGAL term. There's also a reason why someone who is executed for a crime and turns out to have not committed it, the person who injected the needle is not charged with murder. Until the very second that the cop is charged with murder, it is NOT murder. Stop throwing it around all willy nilly. - The New Age Retro Hippie used Ruler! Now, he can figure out the length of things easily. 19:02, 21 May 2010 (UTC)
It's Murder. Involuntary manslaughter is murder. Just because you looked up the definition of murder on a biased website (WIKI) doesn't make the definition correct. While Wiki tends to be correct MOST of the time, it cannot be relied on hence why colleges and universities do not allow Wiki to be used as a source of information. -kwamelh — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kwamellh (talkcontribs) 04:41, 8 December 2013 (UTC)
"It's Murder. Involuntary manslaughter is murder." That's news to me. Law enforcement agencies do not tabulate manslaughter as "murder," and the charge is obviously not murder, or else Weekley would have been charged with ... (drum roll) murder! 2604:2000:9063:9F00:EC18:56C4:F483:E7FA (talk) 21:18, 30 December 2014 (UTC)

Pls add the year of occurrence to the article (I'm a newbie -- don't know how) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.106.104.154 (talk) 22:04, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

I have changed the title to "Death of Aiyana Jones". The change to "Murder of Aiyana Jones" may have been disputed for good reason, but the current one is both neutral and standard (see Death of Ian Tomlinson). Maziotis (talk) 18:03, 5 April 2011 (UTC)

Who Is DPD Officer Joseph Weekley?[edit]

Possible reference with video of SWAT for tots charity event: Who Is DPD Officer Joseph Weekley?

Was this announced ?[edit]

I got here in response to Christi Paul's facebook comments section. They keep asking about how I feel, and I keep asking was the entry announced. This article doesn't say, and I haven't found it in the news Yet. The notice aspect is gonna be a big deal when this gets to court... Changes I made are, added date to intro per request supra, and added word is. John5Russell3Finley (talk) 21:01, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

Role of reality TV[edit]

There should be a greater emphasis on the role of Reality TV in the incident, since that may very well have been a contributing factor to the murder. The fact that this was an operation performed under the observation of a Reality TV crew is likely to have encouraged the use of weapons with a more lively impact, such as throwing a grenade into a house, that wouldn't be usually permitted under regular procedures. That such a show could have focus on incidents where lives are at stake surely must be a controversy in itself and quite likely the producers of the show are complicit in the young girl's murder, even if this could not be legally enforced. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.10.66.116 (talk) 12:03, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

I've watched nearly every episode of The First 48, and the only one I can remember that absolutely had shooting was the suspect killing himself. The offices features in The First 48 do not make their decisions to make the show any more interesting. And, as stated in a thread above, until the officer is charged, it is not murder. When you are dealing with a cold blooded murder with a violent past, that requires more force than most arrests, including guns and flash bangs. Every statement you made is purely speculative, and used a seriously flawed logic at that. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.173.237.52 (talk) 06:10, 15 August 2011 (UTC)

Mertilla Jones[edit]

Who is she? She's mentioned without explaining her connections with Aiyana. Jalwikip (talk) 11:01, 12 June 2012 (UTC)

Judging by this source: [1] - Her grandmother.--Auric (talk) 01:45, 14 September 2012 (UTC)

Connection to 2007 raid[edit]

"A hearing in U.S. District Court, scheduled for June 9...." What year is that? Is that case still open in 2013? Onerock (talk) 19:15, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

Missing Info[edit]

Is it just me, or is there text missing from the Death section? It states that someone fired a flash grenade, and then skips straight to the officer that fired the shot. WHat actually happened to this little girl? Grover (talk) 08:10, 10 June 2014 (UTC)

Legal name[edit]

Was Aiyana's legal last name "Jones", "Stanley Jones", or "Stanley-Jones"? Different news articles use all three of those names as her last name. 12.30.109.2 (talk) 17:17, 25 September 2014 (UTC)

Moving section about 2007 raid here[edit]

Connection to 2007 raid
Officer Joseph Weekley, a 14-year[when?] veteran of the Detroit Police Department, is one of several officers targeted in a federal lawsuit alleging that they shot two dogs and pointed a gun at children during a 2007 raid of a Detroit house. A hearing in U.S. District Court, scheduled for June 9, will decide whether the case goes to trial. The lawsuit, which was moved from the Wayne Circuit Court to the U.S. District Court in April 2009, accuses Weekley and other members of the Special Response Team of entering a Detroit house on Feb. 8, 2007, shooting two dogs, and then pointing a gun at an unspecified number of children, including an infant. The officers were looking for Marlon Westbrook, who later was convicted of armed robbery and sentenced to seven to 15 years in prison.

12.30.109.2 (talk) 11:10, 26 September 2014 (UTC)

voiceofdetroit.net = bad source[edit]

voiceofdetroit.net, a propaganda blog run by Diane Bukowski, is not a newspaper and shouldn't be used as a source here. Diane Bukowski was banned from the court room by the judge in this case on October 2, 2014.

108.176.24.195 (talk) 17:16, 3 October 2014 (UTC)

Source[edit]

Source for this part that was removed:

The altercation in Harper Woods is, now, completely irrelevant to the topic of this article. Dwpaul Talk 03:59, 11 October 2014 (UTC)

Significant missing facts causing non-NPOV skew[edit]

I'm very disturbed (as an experienced WP editor) at the level of non-neutral skew in this article. It's never mentioned that the homes in the duplex were not connected and that the warrant was only for the suspect's address (where he was found) — not the address/side where the family/kids were. It's also not mentioned that when a neighbor walking by attempted to warn them urgently that there were kids in the one side, he was (according to his attorney) forced to lay face-down on the ground with a boot against his back/back of his neck, or that the police gave no sign of believing that the grandmother touched the gun (makes sense, given the couch was a pretty good distance from the door/window) until several hours had passed with her forced to sit on the visibly blood-soaked couch. Two quick sources: PoliceStateUSA and Huffington Post.

I have no connection of any kind to the mess, just very concerned at what looks like a PR agent's work. I'm not going to personally tackle the edits, however: I've had enough of my time wasted by writing things that were later edited/reverted by somebody monitoring the page for changes they disapprove of. Hopefully somebody less jaded will do so. —xyzzy 13:12, 7 February 2015 (UTC)

If you're an experienced WP editor, then you know that PoliceStateUSA and Huffington Post are not considered objective sources: Wikipedia: Objective Sources. A common mistake is to believe if an article isn't telling the side of the story you heard (or believe), it must be "skewed." Wikipedia is supposed to only use verifiable facts from reputable sources. Your linked sources are actually very skewed sources, and largely opinion based, and so are neither objective, nor reliable. --Mastersamuke (talk) 11:37, 12 March 2015 (UTC)

Weight[edit]

I wonder what the source of her weight (in the info box) is. The CDC says 70 pounds is the high end of normal for a 7 year old. Her picture makes her appear to be of fairly normal size, but the info box shows and unsourced 130 pounds which would be drastically obese. I wonder if her weight in pounds was 59 - the number that was put in as kg. 69.142.70.108 (talk) 02:16, 3 May 2016 (UTC)

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