Talk:Death of Brian Wells

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30 Minutes or Less?[edit]

Why has no one mentioned the movie 30 minutes or Less? The plot of the movie seems rather similar to what happened in this article. Including the who inheritance thing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.160.219.153 (talk) 00:41, 25 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Requested Page Move[edit]

The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the proposal was move per request.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 12:23, 12 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Brian Douglas Wells → Death of Brian Douglas Wells – Article is about an unusual death case, not a biography of a famous person. It does not even mention anything about Mr. Wells before the bomb incident that ultimately killed him and subsequent events. 173.3.76.149 (talk) 23:30, 5 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support per nom (as article creator). bd2412 T 23:47, 5 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support WP:BIO1E -- 65.94.169.222 (talk) 05:17, 7 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support The proposed change is an improvement. It might be even better to use a title without the person's name, because this is not a biography at all and it is not apparent how much influence the deceased had in all the events described here. Blue Rasberry (talk) 14:19, 9 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
    He was the one who died. We frequently title articles on sensational murders using the name of the victim, even where the victim was nothing more than a random crime victim. bd2412 T 14:37, 9 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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Bones Episode[edit]

Wasn't this crime (or one based on this) used for an episode of TV series 'Bones'? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bartreligion (talk • contribs) 18:34, 9 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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GA Review[edit]

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Reviewer: Ed! (talk · contribs) 23:51, 27 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]


Taking a look at this one, off to a good start. —Ed!(talk) 00:12, 28 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Overall

  • Dablink, dup and copyvio detectors return nothing unusual.
  • Seeing three dead links that need to replaced or removed.
  • Also important, the typical MOS is to title the article "Murder of [Name]" if it has been legally declared one, which might be a good thing to do here, the fact that it was a murder and the form of murder makes it notable.

The Event

  • Any details on birth, where he attended school, parents, or details of life before dropping out? With some time removed from the case it should be organized so there is some context to set up the event itself. Perhaps the motive could be worked in to understand how Wells got involved and any known details about how this plan came together, etc.
  • Does Wells have a criminal record? Necessary if the mugshot is his.
  • Any idea of where he met the accomplices?
  • "At the television tower, Wells found the plot had changed,..." was this according to police reports also? Should be made clear.
  • "Around 15 minutes later, police spotted Wells standing outside his Geo Metro..." what was the plan at this point? Was he to meet with someone or have some reason to be standing there?
  • Some kind of introduction needs to be made to Marjorie Diehl-Armstrong and Kenneth Barnes and their backgrounds as well. Probably an "accomplices" section. It mentions "conspirators" who are not named — how many others are unidentified?
  • What police department responded?
  • What
  • "It is believed that Wells was killed by Diehl-Armstrong... " believed by who? Avoid weasel words. Also, again would need to cite who is telling the stories, if they were police theories or if they were unveiled in court. Want to make sure sure we're clear on what we're alleging.
  • No where in the article does it mention that the FBI cut his head off to remove the collar, rather than cut the collar. Giant disrespect to him, it seems like his family is still upset by it. Should probably be in here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:306:C410:2740:BCBB:321D:E832:2168 (talk) 23:47, 18 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Aftermath

  • This should probably be split into a section or two.
  • What mental disorders were alleged with Diehl-Armstrong?
  • What courts were dealing with this case? The wording is not specific.
  • The book you mention in ref 33 begs some scrutiny. What does it say, and how credible is it?
  • According to the documentary on Netflix, Rothstein DID attempt suicide, he clearly shows his wrist to the investigators and they ask about the "bag of blood" and he says "My lame attempt at suicide" or something like that. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.0.212.4 (talk) 16:13, 6 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • The black mirror reference is good; it should be asked if there is any other kind of inspiration that episode saw from this case directly.

Media attention

  • "The incident and the subsequent investigation were covered in American national media several times..." which outlets specifically? Wired is the only subsequent media outlet that is mentioned as covering the case, the others are a TV show, a scientific study and a book.
  • On the subject of the study, what was its conclusion?

Status query[edit]

Ed!, Drewmutt, what is the current status of this review? As far as I can tell, the only thing that has been done to this article since the review was posted is its move to a new article name, which was done a few hours later, over five weeks ago. Will the necessary work be completed soon? Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 05:17, 8 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Have pinged the nominator without success. Failing GA and would be happy to see it up again once these improvements are made. —Ed!(talk) 01:34, 13 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Hey Ed, thanks for keeping up with this, real life has put my wiki life on the backburner, but greatly appreciate your detailed input, and look forward to making your suggested improvements in due time. Drewmutt (^ᴥ^) talk 07:54, 13 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Lead too long?[edit]

I see a {{lead too long}} tag has been added. It looks about right to me.

The article is about 15,000 words. MOS:LEADLENGTH says that for article under 15,000, the lede should be one or two paragraphs; for 15,000 to 30,000 words, two or three paragraphs.

The two paragraphs we have here, both of which are appropriately sized, looks fine for this article. I can't see what material ought to be cut, either.

In the spirit of WP:BRD, I'm going to revert the tag, but if anyone disagrees, reinstate it and discuss here. Please do not reinstate without discussion, however. TJRC (talk) 21:33, 22 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

German Wiki link[edit]

Don’t know how to add links to other wikis. We have an article in de.wiki, simply "Brian Welles"... can someone add the link to the languages section/switch? Thxs Foerdi (talk) 20:33, 12 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

It's done via Wikidata. I've opened a question there: "Linking two sets of articles on the same subjects, but where different language wikipedias use differing titles?". TJRC (talk) 22:08, 12 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
It's not unusual, on Wikidata you just type in (or copy/paste) the name of the article in question, even if it's a different name. The real problem is that Wikidata has two entries for Brian Wells - murder of Brian Wells and plain Brian Wells, with the "murder of Brian Wells" one being oldest. I have no idea how to get that corrected. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 03:17, 13 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Ooh, never mind, they have a gadget just for that. I've merged the two and now all the interwiki links should be showing correctly. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 03:31, 13 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Looks like your merge was reverted, on the premise that the event and the person are different things. I personally feel that the subject matter of all seven articles across the seven wikipedias are the same subject, even if the title is different, but am not sufficiently familiar with wikidata to understand how that's handled there. It is frustrating to have another project's policies negatively impact Wikipedia, though. TJRC (talk) 22:08, 13 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I don't particularly like Wikidata, so I have to admit I have less than zero interest in figuring out the strict details of why they've arranged things that way, much less actually going to have an argument with the people who spend their time there. If they want to have stupid redundancies, they can go ahead and have stupid redundancies. Blugh. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 22:28, 13 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I like the idea of Wikidata, but when it fails, it fails hard, and it's so tough to get a problem fixed. In the meantime, I've added the non-en pages manually, to bypass the Wikidata-generated problem, at least on enwiki. TJRC (talk) 04:39, 14 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I have fixed it the right way using the Interwiki extra template. Bovlb (talk) 16:16, 14 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you, Bovlb. TJRC (talk) 22:48, 15 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Uncited material in need of citations[edit]

I am moving the following material here until it can be properly supported with reliable, secondary citations, per WP:V, WP:NOR, WP:IRS, WP:PSTS, et al. This diff shows where the passages in question appeared the article. Nightscream (talk) 06:23, 24 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Collar bomb[edit]

Over the top of the collar bomb, Wells wore a white t-shirt with a Guess jeans logo spray-painted on it, which Investigators assumed was a taunt.

Pizza delivery[edit]

He was also told the bomb could be detonated remotely and that the collar could shock him in he strayed from the plan.

Aftermath[edit]

Jurisdiction also proved to be a problem. The FBI had jurisdiction over the bank robbery, the ATF over the bomb, and the state police over the murder.

Death of Robert Pinetti[edit]

While he was never directly linked to the crime, investigators suspected Pinetti might have been involved in or known about the crime; they said his behavior changed after Wells's death and he became paranoid. Pinetti was due to be interviewed by police the day after his death, which was ruled accidental. According to Barnes, Pinetti was at the tower site to encourage Wells along. Wells's family said Pinetti was the original intended victim and Wells was sent in his place.

Murder of James Roden[edit]

He said he called the police out of fear, describing Diehl-Armstrong as dangerous and manipulative. The following day, she was arrested.

Media attention[edit]

In May 2018, the podcast Stuff You Should Know covered this story. In July 2018, the YouTube channel BuzzFeed Unsolved released an episode about the case.

Characters are similarly manipulated in "Shut Up and Dance", a 2016 episode of the anthology series Black Mirror, at one point robbing a bank under duress.

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