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Hi, here is a my proposal for expansion, this is for some Russian who is much older than me. When exactly this phenomenon started to surface, I mean became known enough to turn off prospective soldiers from army(by the time I started to watch anything besides cartoons it was all around). Then the article can mention the resulting problems with drafting process and current press coverage. It all leads to the recent trends in drafting legislation.Gnomz007 8 July 2005 04:55 (UTC)
This thing will not grow in many years, the Internet is full of scandalous stories of how one conscript was hazed, which can not be used as a solid source, no serious documenting. No nothing.–Gnomz007(?)
Country Reports on Human Rights Practices : Russia - 2004 –Gnomz007(?) 22:30, 16 August 2005 (UTC)
- "While oppression by older conscripts has probably always taken place in the army, after that date it become organized and with its own rules and ranks."
I think you should also tell us who "organized" it ;-)
Is there any movie portraying dedovshchina?
Is there any movie, like a Russian equivalent of "Full Metal Jacket", in which non-Russians can see what dedovshchina is like? Perhaps you better need some non-fiction movies ("journalist investigations"). As of fiction, you can find episodical speckles of it in such movies as DMB, Stormgates, Nineth Company.... From what I can guess, movie concentrated on dedovschina wouldn't bring its creators much money. ellol 14:19, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
Introduction to this article currently contains only 75 (seventy-five) words in the same first sentence. There's two possible explanations of this phenomenon:
- the article is mostly edited by retards and drug users
- some people want the article on such a painful and important topic to be UNREADABLE
In other countries?
In the Turkish Military and in the amred forces of francophone countries, especially in French-speaking Sub-Saharan African countries and Haiti there are similar rituals.--Gregor Straßler (talk) 14:35, 14 January 2016 (UTC)
Claim regarding occurrence / virulence
formerly to the Soviet Armed Forces and today to the Russian armed forces, Internal Troops, and (to a much lesser extent) FSB Border Guards - are there any particular statistics confirming that judgement ? --126.96.36.199 (talk) 06:12, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
Are there any links the article could provide to sources explaining the reason for this on-going practice? You would expect it to be based upon some sort of research indicating bullying in this context toughens recruits up or creates better soldiers. When someone targets those with less power, that is cowardice - which is hardly a value you would expect the Russian armed forces to value. Bullying behaviour is also indicative of emotional and moral weakness - again hardly something the Russian military should indulge. There must be some recognition of this among the leadership. 2407:7000:844D:4F00:B1B2:6C9C:8D97:7679 (talk) 21:56, 14 April 2018 (UTC)