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Former good article nominee Dell was a Social sciences and society good articles nominee, but did not meet the good article criteria at the time. There are suggestions below for improving the article. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake.

"Buys"[edit]

A user named Sandtrap555 has been trying to assert that he is an employee for dell and cited a non-relevant source to say that dell buys computers as a major business operation. I urge a moderator to please revert this edit back to the original version as it appears to be vandalism. --Historyboy226 (talk) 22:27, 29 April 2011 (UTC)

Lead-sentence structure (continued)[edit]

A Wikipedian has suggested that a proposed re-casting of the lede along the lines of "The multi-national information-technology corporation Dell Inc develops, sells and supports computers and related products" seems just as accurate as some other version. We can agree on that. But what of precision and style? -- Pedant17 (talk) 02:56, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

It's no more or less precise than the current lead sentence, and it's slightly worse style per WP:BOLDTITLE ("the article's subject is stated as early as possible in the first sentence"). I think we're fine with the current wording. --McGeddon (talk) 08:19, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

Dead links in this article[edit]

As a former Ottawa resident I was heartened to see so much Canadian content in this article. However, it appears that a lot of those Canadian links are dead. For example: in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dell#Further_reading see the Ottawa Business Journal link under Dell Ottawa references:. Ottawahitech (talk) 15:02, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

article from december 1987 refers to Dell as Dell The name probably changed before 1988 then?

http://books.google.com/books?id=Aj8EAAAAMBAJ&pg=PA44&lpg=PA44&dq=dell+%22honeywell+bull%22+1987..1989+repair&source=bl&ots=0LCmK-JcBS&sig=_OgMxGH7PViMWg7RiRAiPuYtww0&hl=en&ei=tefYTPvoFMKdnAeG9MmJCg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=2&ved=0CBcQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=honeywell&f=false —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.212.11.206 (talk) 06:22, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

Unsourced Material[edit]

The below material has been moved from the article after not being sourced long-term. Please feel free to reincorporate into the article with appropriate sourcing! Doniago (talk) 19:01, 16 March 2011 (UTC)

Corporatespeak[edit]

In the previous version, the second paragraph contained the sentence "Dell has grown by both organic and inorganic means since its inception", with links to definitions of "organic growth" and "inorganic growth". This was is a ridiculous example of corporatespeak and very user-unfriendly. Replaced with "Dell has grown by both increasing its customer base and through acquisitions since its inception." — Preceding unsigned comment added by Just Below 39 (talkcontribs) 13:29, 21 August 2011 (UTC)

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Enron[edit]

There is a conspiracy that Dell may be linked to Enron due to the similarity of the E in the Dell logo to that of Enron. Can this be verified? 192.235.7.100 (talk) 03:34, 10 February 2012 (UTC)

Dell Summit[edit]

See Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Gender Studies#Dell Summit. --John Vandenberg (chat) 05:03, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

Logo Inaccuracy[edit]

The logo at the top of the article is incorrect. It is currently an amalgamation of the old dell script, with an added blue circle. The new logo has a slightly different script - the 'E' is slightly taller, and the shape has been changed.

See this article for more info: http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/logo-design-brand-dell-logo-dude,news-34674.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lukes123 (talkcontribs) 21:02, 30 June 2012 (UTC)

Removing non-discussed links[edit]

Hi, In the main-article I see under the section External links this comment: !-- ATTENTION! Please do not add links without discussion and consensus on the talk page. Undiscussed links will be removed. --

Since when do we need to meet consensus on (parts of) an article before placing it and why would you want this. (I can understand such a step if an edit-war has been going on at some time where external links were added/removed all the time: but I can't find any proof of that).

If external link (or any other part of the article) is relevant and meets all the normal guidelines for inclusion in the article I don't see why it would need to be discussed first. And if the external link has no additional value or doesn't meet the normal requirements it can be removed... Only when someone would like to include an external link and isn't sure if it is appropiate he/she could then choose to discuss it first on the Talk page and if then the consensus is that the link should be placed, place it. And the other way around: if an earlier removed link (and again: or any other part of the article) has already been discussed on the Talk page and the general consensus was to remove it - then it makes sense to discuss it prior to re-placing the link again, and so long no new concensus has been reached about that link you can delete it while referring to the earlier discussion on the Talk page where consensus was made to remove it.

As far as I know this is against the principle of Wikipedia that you require consensus on information to add. If there are special circumstances (earlier vandalism, advertising-attempts etc) to require such a step there are ways to prevent it (for example: make an article protected or semi-protected) and unless there special circumstances to do this I don't think it is appropiate to keep this comment in the article.

Thanks, Tonkie (talk) 14:33, 18 August 2012 (UTC)

It looks like that may have been added for the first time with this edit. I would recommend contacting the contributing editor if you have not already done so. Doniago (talk) 13:36, 20 August 2012 (UTC)
@Doniago : I did contact Kkm010 via his TALK page and because I didn't see any editwar or anything prior to that.... But thanks for your reaction, Tonkie (talk) 18:58, 20 August 2012 (UTC)
No problem. I don't know what may have precipitated the addition of the comment, but I agree that with the information I have, it seems like the comment may be a bit out of line. I'd give KKM a while to chime in, though. Doniago (talk) 19:26, 20 August 2012 (UTC)

LBO[edit]

Cited from press release. So Silver Lake owns my ass again (ex-SunGard). Not changed private / public status as I don't follow the Street closely enough to know when the shares are formally de-listed (or whether they will continue to list even in private hands, as some apparently do). Guy (Help!) 15:01, 5 February 2013 (UTC)

Public or Private?[edit]

So what's the deal, can we change the 'Type' section to Private yet? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chris6187400 (talkcontribs) 04:55, 13 February 2013 (UTC)

is the dell inspiron good for students? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Richie Boat (talkcontribs) 17:07, 24 February 2013 (UTC)

Fiscal Year vs Calendar Year[edit]

I saw some edits and reverts in April 2013 and in the comments with the edits some refs were made to the fiscal year (FY) and calendar year (CY). Dell is currently (12 April, 2013) in FY 2014: the FY of Dell runs from 1st February to 31 January and is in 11 months of the year thus one year AHEAD of the calendar year. So FY 2015 will start on 1 Feb 2014 - unless the company would decide to change their financial reporting when they move away from the stock-market and go back private (anyway: when the company leaves the public market they will publish a lot less financial figures). Cheers, Tonkie (talk) 20:32, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

There is no retail shop in Moscow[edit]

I, literally, live in Moscow, there is no, and for at least 3-4 years never was any Dell retail shop. Where this information coming from? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.80.159.236 (talk) 06:46, 21 December 2013 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 20 November 2015[edit]

You lenovo computer in not Dell. 83.220.237.31 (talk) 08:25, 20 November 2015 (UTC)

Windows. Only users. 83.220.237.31 (talk) 08:25, 20 November 2015 (UTC) M.video you. 83.220.237.31 (talk) 08:25, 20 November 2015 (UTC)

Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. Cannolis (talk) 08:48, 20 November 2015 (UTC)

Michael Dell "will" buy[edit]

"Michael Dell ... will buy the public shares at $13.65 apiece." This is a report from 2013, which is no longer in the future, so "will" isn't appropriate. The obvious edit is to revise the sentence to "bought the shares at $13.65 apiece," but we shouldn't do that without a reference. Omc (talk) 04:35, 22 November 2015 (UTC)

Fixed. I've changed "will" to Reuters reported "would", and done some minor copy-editing to distinguish the February 2013 offer from the final result. - Pointillist (talk) 16:02, 22 November 2015 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 4 March 2016[edit]

I'd like to change the following bullet: "On November 2, 2010, Dell acquired Software-as-a-Service (SaaS) integration leader Boomi. Terms of the deal were not disclosed." It should be changed to include a link to the Dell Boomi wikipedia page in place of the text "Boomi". The text should also read: "On November 2, 2010, Dell acquired cloud integration leader Boomi. Terms of the deal were not disclosed." This more accurately describes the nature of the company Boomi, as it is a SaaS company that specializes in cloud integration Mr.mankins (talk) 22:03, 4 March 2016 (UTC)

Yes check.svg Done EvergreenFir (talk) Please {{re}} 04:14, 6 March 2016 (UTC)

Proposal to add to criticism section deleting product reviews[edit]

Not sure if this is important and relevant enough, but I propose anyway adding the following to the Criticism section at the end of the page:

In March 2016, Dell was caught removing critical product reviews from their website.<ref>[http://www.2globalnomads.info/2016/03/Dell-Vostro-14-5459-Laptop-Review.html Dell Vostro 14 5000 Series Laptop Review]</ref>

Vostrouser (talk) 04:48, 3 April 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 23 August 2016[edit]

Typo: In Acquisiiton List, in Force 10 line, a command states Powerconnect was pwered by Broadcom and "Marcell" - should be "Marvell" (The link correctly points to Marvell)

Orr101 (talk) 23:40, 23 August 2016 (UTC)

Done — Andy W. (talk ·ctb) 00:24, 24 August 2016 (UTC)

Moving the page[edit]

Requested move 9 September 2016[edit]

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: Not moved. I am going to be honest, I am involved (see below) and closing this, which is against policy. However, it is clear the Dell and Dell Technologies are different companies. The original Dell Inc. merged with EMC Corporation to form Dell Technologies. There is already a page for the new company, so this page should be about the subsidiary. That is the reason why I am closing this. I am opening a new section about this matter. (non-admin closure) CookieMonster755 𝚨-𝛀 01:31, 11 September 2016 (UTC)


DellDell Technologies – The name of the company has been changed to Dell Technologies so the page should be moved under the new name. Dell Technologies is the holding company so they need a page under that name and there needs to be a separate page for Dell, the consumer computer division of Dell Technologies. Thunderbolt.wiki (talk) 03:33, 9 September 2016 (UTC)

Comment. We normally do not use the official legal name when naming articles. Whenever possible, common usage is preferred (see Wikipedia:Naming conventions (companies). If most reliable sources still use "Dell" as the common name, then the name of this article should not be changed. So far, I do not see evidence that reliable sources are now predominantly using the longer official name. Zzyzx11 (talk) 05:19, 9 September 2016 (UTC)
Comment. Dell and Dell Technologies need their own pages. The old name of the parent company was "Dell". This has changed to "Dell Technologies". This is not disputed anywhere. A "Dell Technologies" page which speaks to the parent company, its operations, and subsidiaries is warranted. The "Dell" name has been assigned to the PC business only. This is evidenced on Dell's own dell.com website. Dell is now a subsidiary of Dell Technologies, along with Dell EMC, PIvotal, Virtustream, RSA, VMware, and SecureWorks.[RM201609 1] Therefore, it is also warranted to have a Dell page which speaks to Dell's computing business, its products, etc. (just like the other subsidiaries Dell EMC, RSA, Pivotal, and VMware have their own pages). My recommendation is to split this page in two: Dell and Dell Technologies. 18:00, 9 September 2016 (UTC)
  • Comment – I have created Dell Technologies – the new company formed after the merge of the original Dell Inc. and EMC Corporation. The current page should be about the new subsidiary of Dell Technologies and the original company should be at Dell Inc. I need help doing all the merging and technical stuff. Thanks! CookieMonster755 𝚨-𝛀 00:44, 11 September 2016 (UTC)

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References

  1. ^ "Who We Are - Dell Technologies". delltechnologies.com. Dell Technologies. 

The NAC by an involved party is not a typical move, but I was going to do the same NAC myself, since we cannot commingle clearly distinct notable topics into the same article as was proposed.  — SMcCandlish ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ʌ≼  02:21, 11 September 2016 (UTC)

Article scope[edit]

I am officially opening a new section about the article scope. I closed the above requested move above, because I created a page about the new company. On September 7, 2016, the original Dell Inc. acquired EMC Corporation and merged the two companies as Dell Technologies Inc., restructuring the original company as a subsidiary of Dell Technologies and EMC Corporation was re-branded as DELL EMC and is now a subsidiary of the new company. So we have a lot of work to do. I was thinking, to have three pages, kind of like Hewlett-Packard and its successors, HP Inc. and Hewlett Packard Enterprise. I was thinking of having this page (Dell) about the new subsidiary, than Dell Technologies (page exist) as the page about the new parent company, and than the old company (1984-2016) at Dell Inc. (currently redirect to Dell). I created a draft (Draft:Dell Inc.) that would be about the old company, but I want some advise and review from other editors before we publish it, as well as narrow the current article Dell to be about the subsidiary and improve the Dell Technologies article. I am not claiming ownership of articles. I am just posting this so we can all work together in making these articles encyclopedic and updated following the new structure of the companies. I look forward to working with fellow editors. CookieMonster755 𝚨-𝛀 01:38, 11 September 2016 (UTC)

  • Agreed these are two distinct topics. It's fairly common for WP to have an article on a parent commercial entity and a similarly-named subsidiary, especially if their histories are notably distinct. However, the present article should probably move to Dell Computer or something; "Dell" by itself should be a disambiguation page for the normal meaning of the word, the original computer company, and the new parent corporation, and Dell EMC, and whatever else is covered at Dell (disambiguation).  — SMcCandlish ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ʌ≼  02:19, 11 September 2016 (UTC)
    • SMcCandlish You are right, the new subsidiary "Dell" is not primary topic of the term "Dell" – however, "Dell Computer" is not the name of the subsidiary, it is simply "Dell". Maybe we should name it Dell (subsidiary). What do you think? Anyway, thanks for your quick response. What do you think of the draft, if I don't mind asking. Cheers, CookieMonster755 𝚨-𝛀 03:45, 11 September 2016 (UTC)
      • Not sure. That's a discussion for another RM, I would think, after the articles' scopes are more clearly defined. Maybe it would be Dell, Inc.? I dunno. I'm not steeped in Dell's history.  — SMcCandlish ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ʌ≼  04:15, 11 September 2016 (UTC)

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