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This sentence[edit]

"only a minority of Romans were citizens with votes in elections for representatives" The same thing applies to Greeks and yet the sentence seems to make this seem like a significant difference between Athenian and Roman democracies. Preventing women from voting already banned half of the population from politics, not to mention the slaves, so pretty much the majority of Greeks couldn't vote. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.129.78.68 (talk) 15:26, 22 August 2016 (UTC)

Support-Bargaining[edit]

The theory of support-bargaining suggests that the systems of government recognised as 'democratic' are better understood as processes in which support is assembled in groups and organisations through support-bargaining.[supportbargain 1] In political support-bargaining, parties formulate policies and proposals that will attract support. People give their support to parties in accordance with their acceptance or rejection of the policies and proposals on offer.[supportbargain 2] An electoral system, understood as an artificial support-bargaining structure, is used to facilitate the emergence of a party with majority support in a legislature.[supportbargain 3] In contrast with democratic theory, which has difficulty reconciling parties with popular rule, the theory gives a central role to political parties, as the most powerful agents of support-bargaining systems.[supportbargain 4]


Support-bargaining theory also draws attention to the importance of finance for political parties. The assembly of support across a nation for the same policies involves substantial costs. Democratic theory has no understanding of parties and consequently no understanding of the importance of finance in political processes.[supportbargain 5] (end addition)

  1. ^ Spread, Patrick (2004). Getting It Right: Economics and the Security of Support, Sussex, Book Guild, pp. 8, 127-9. Spread, Patrick (2008). Support-Bargaining: The Mechanics of Democracy Revealed, Sussex, Book Guild, pp. 2, 39, 50-52, 406-13.
  2. ^ Spread (2004), p. 114. Spread (2008), pp. 39-40.
  3. ^ Spread, Patrick (1984). A Theory of Support and Money Bargaining, London. Macmillan, pp. 203-09. Spread (2008), pp. 44-49.
  4. ^ Spread (1984), pp. 204-05. Spread (2008), pp. 411-12.
  5. ^ Spread (2004), pp. 141-3. Spread (2008), pp. 2-3, 66-68.

No statement about Karantanian Democracy?? (as the birth of real Democracy?)[edit]

The old Karantanian Democracy was called Rota (in Latin: Institutio Sklavenika Lex) which included election of the prince and later dukes "in the name of people". All women and men have had free will to elect their leader. His descendants weren't necessary new rulers over the land.

Here is a short description of it. Karantanian democracy inspired Bodin and later American president Thomas Jefferson who wrote American Declaration of Independence.

http://www.hervardi.com/images/spomenik_ustolicevanje.gif http://www.globalpolitician.com/print.asp?id=698

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